/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

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Tillie:
Thank fucking god.
12:50 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
ano:
What a welcome surprise Man, so good of Apple to do this. Holy shit.
1:12 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Flying Fuck:
I'm more interested in this "higher-end" iMac.
1:30 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
ass:
"if they had released these speed bumps without any comment about the future of the Mac Pro, people would have reasonably concluded that Apple had lost its goddamned mind."

That's exactly what they did for people who don't pay attention to the blogosphere (most). And there's no reason they couldn't have done spec bumps for the past 3 years to stay competitive.

I also don't quite understand the need to "take the time to do something really great". Isn't that what they did last time and ended up with a circular computer? Real pros want something powerful they can stash UNDER their desk and forget about it until it's time to add a stick of RAM.
1:43 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Patrick Henry, the 2nd:
That's fucking awesome. Sucks its another year out, but I can wait.
1:48 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
CockNBalls:
This must have been an insta-hard for Grubs when he got the call. Can't imagine the number of towels he went through.
1:49 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
anonymous:
I about died at this quote.


One of the good things, hopefully, with Apple through the years has been a willingness to say when something isn’t quite what we wanted it do be, didn’t live up to expectations, to not be afraid to admit it and look for the next answer.


Yeahhhhhh...
1:53 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Sweet Jesus:
At long last! They should have communicated this way earlier.
3:16 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
anonymous:
So, new iMacs announced in October to ship "this year" i.e. by December?
3:41 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Pro Market:
Wait on Tower Mac Pro with Thunderbolt... Nope.
Buy 2011 iMac
Wait on new Tower Mac Pro... Nope.
Finally cave to trash can design, but wait for speed bump...Nope.
2018.... Maybe... I can finally retire this 2011 iMac...

What a horrible decade this has been for the Apple Pro Market.
3:51 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
"One size didn't fit all."

- Craig Federighi
3:55 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
jimothy:
How many thumbs does this post get?
4:03 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
ass:
"Can't innovate anymore, my ass."

How'd that work out for you Phil?
4:07 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Mac Pro is Dead:
I'll change my DFWC username when it ships
4:16 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
Isn't this the same set of basic arguments that happened before the Mac ][?

I mean, come on.
4:25 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Not Anonymous:
Can't wait to see what Apple brings us with new 'pro' iMacs, new Mac Pros, new Mac minis...

But Tim Cook still needs to go.
4:44 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
GENERIC DFWC POSTER BOT 3000™:
BEEP BOOP TIM CUCK AMIRITE
4:50 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Countess Elizabeth Báthory de Ecsed:
> Isn't this the same set of basic arguments that happened before the Mac ][?

How many people do you think that were around for that discussion are still at Apple? A few dozen, maybe?
5:00 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Gruber the booger:
Oh man Gruber got a scoop! He got a scoop!

Hey you guys Gruber finally got a scoop!

Good for Gruber. It's nice to see him back.

Nearly 3000 words to say what could have been said in 300.

Good news though! Plus Gruber got a scoop!

I guess all the little birdies aren't dead.

5:17 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
ano:
Also, props to Gruber for writing this out well. It's virally popped all over the web. His sponsor rate may have a new lease on life
5:23 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Hollywoodland:
It's going to take 18 months for this because they're moving production back to China where all the expertise and global shipping chain is already set up. Schiller just didn't want to piss off Trump by confirming it early.

Hopefully we see fully modular with Ryzen, Vega and Freesync 2... and for Apple to open up the damn email from NVIDIA about getting Pascal-era drivers working with macOS.

@anonymous 2017 iMacs will be coming in the next couple of months, tops. They're already in use at Apple.
5:39 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
anonymous:
No new Mac Pro this year, maybe not even next year -- and this is "great news"? For who?

GREAT NEWS EVERYONE I got a scoop, I'm super important
5:40 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Fake Tim Cook:
I think Apple is doing the engineering work now to offer an eGPU solution next year that can be used via USB-C on the 2018 Mac Pro, iMac, Mac mini and MacBook Pros.
5:42 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
Did Gruber pay his own way to Apple?
9:56 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
anonymous:
[quote]No new Mac Pro this year, maybe not even next year -- and this is "great news"? For who?[/quote]

Me.

Seriously if your brain was damaged, the whole point is a good news.
11:04 pm — Tuesday, 4 April 2017
Hateful BB-8:
Just fuck the iMac already.

Wasn't Apple's interest in the AIO concept behind the iMac driven by the complication of the early Internet era and peripherals being a hassle? The idea was to get everything in one box and make it as easy as possible. Plug a couple cables in and turn the bitch on. Woohoo. Great news for computer users in the late 90s who needed things simplified and didn't want to touch the compatibility issues in the PC world.

But it's 2017, FFS. Everyone is online now and the computer industry is not the clusterfuck it once was. Everything has standardized around a few technologies, for the most part. Why wouldn't Apple just ditch the iMac and make something a little more appropriate for today?

Here's a crazy thought. Get rid of the iMac (and the Mini, for that matter) and offer an entire spectrum of Macs in the trashcan form. You can have some low-end ones that are less upgradeable, some mid-range ones with a little room to grow, and then go right up to the >$5K beast machine that pros need.

I don't get why Apple clings to these outdated designs.
1:30 am — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Make peace, not conservatives:
>Why wouldn't Apple just ditch the iMac and make something a little more appropriate for today?

What's so inappropriate about the iMac today? The AIO form factor reduces clutter on my desk and looks fucking amazing. Your crazy thoughts are exactly that.... crazy. More cables, more clutter, all so I can "upgrade" it more easily? Whoo hoo. I have an upgraded 2010 iMac sitting in front of me, and the current ones "can" be upgraded if you are patient enough and prepared for the job. I'll take this over having twice as many cables (power and video) that having separate components would require, not to mention the extra space lost. Been there, done that, don't miss those days.
3:42 am — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Ailurus:
Apple announces that it is 'working on' a new Mac Pro that may (possibly) be available for purchase at some time in 2018 or later.

Macosphere explodes with happiness at possibly getting a chance to purchase such a computer, sight, specs and price unseen.

So this is what Stockholm Syndrome looks like on a mass scale. Fuck this, too little FAR too late.
4:34 am — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
anonymous:
Sounds like (despite what they say) they only just started on this after all the recent commentary about it.
7:54 am — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Heinz Gruber:
Nice blowjob session. Did Gruber blow all the executives or did these "select journalists" share those duties?
9:27 am — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
anonymous:
Gruber is like Goebbels for Apple.

all his "insights" are focused on one thing only - ad revenue, clickbaiting. disgusting.

sad to see these kind of blogs.

Apple will not fix anything. Pro makes 1% of their revenue. they will keep making overprice stuff for branding purposes (like those expensive NYC stores) but the quality of the software and hardware will suck- they make money with iphone, until they find the next thing, they dont care about Pros, Pros are douches that deserve to pay more just for a logo.

when they killed Aperture no one said anything, and I moved to Windows for photos and GNU/Linux for developing stuff-

this blog sucks ass.
9:53 am — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
To Be Fair:
Apple should have called John Siracusa into this meeting rather than John Gruber.
12:01 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
anonymous:
This just backs up that Gruber is an Apple PR bitch who writes what he is told. He's not a journo and he doesn't have any birdies.
12:08 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
CB:
Jesus, DF is such a shill. Let me quote him directly, from less than a week ago.
> But: it’s vaporware. Shipping is what counts
Why the fuck doesn't that same opinion apply now?
2:19 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
anonymous:
> (like those expensive NYC stores)

the store are expensive, but they pay for themselves. apple stores make more $/sq foot than any other retailer.

i'm guessing if apple pre-announced these things, they're definitely going to ship at some point. my guess would be sooner rather than later, as they like to under promise and over deliver.
3:44 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Mac Pro is Dead:
You guys are NUTS if you don't see this as a major rethinking of the Mac Pro. This is a good thing. They're committing to go back to a yearly-upgradable Pro machine. Huge news.
4:31 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
ass:
That's to be seen and might take a few years to prove to pros/corporate buyers.
4:44 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Publius:
What is this computer bullshit doing on this Anti-Trump Blog?
5:04 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Mac Pro is Still Dead:
"They're committing to go back to a yearly-upgradable Pro machine. Huge news."

MMhmm, sure. I'm not willing to put any money down that Apple will release this piece of hardware and then immediately ignore it for a few years.

Like the current MacPro...Mac Mini, Macbook Air, and so on.
7:57 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
anonymous:
@Hateful BB-8: Please don't encourage them. The trashcan Mac really is a nice piece of engineering, but is apparently a pain in the ass to update. Everyone, except maybe gamers, want nvidia cards and no one is making Thunderbolt peripherals, so Apple lost a couple of bets right there. Hopefully whatever the new thing is will have a semi-standard-ish motherboard and two or more PCI slots. Maybe a couple of drive bays, but I doubt it. Really the cheese grater Mac would be just fine but that doesn't seem like a very Apple-y move.
9:14 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Hateful BB-8:
Yeah, didn't mean to make it sounds like the Pro Mac was the be-all end-all. Fuck the Pro Mac too. They can just redesign, make something new altogether. I don't care. The point is that AIO is a shit idea. My iMac died a couple years ago and so I had to throw out a perfectly good, beautiful 27" screen because of a dead mobo. Fuck that. We need consumer level Macs that are more modular without the wimp factor of the Mini.

This is the core of my love-hate relationship with Apple. I love what they do but hate the way they miss the most obvious shit sometimes or turn their nose up at what the consumer wants. I don't get it.
10:21 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Hateful BB-8:
"What is this computer bullshit doing on this Anti-Trump Blog?"

Well, because Trump is a clueless fucktard, he has gone on record saying he doesn't use computers. So, it seems appropriate.
10:23 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Hateful BB-8:
"I have an upgraded 2010 iMac sitting in front of me, and the current ones "can" be upgraded if you are patient enough and prepared for the job."

Put your dick away.

I've worked in IT for 15+ years and I've upgraded iMacs too. But fuck that. I buy Apple for my personal use because I don't want my goddamn devices to become weekend hobbies. Beyond RAM, the iMac isn't technically user-serviceable or upgradeable and when it comes to the market at large, that's what matters, no matter what you or I can do given a few hours and the right tools.
10:26 pm — Wednesday, 5 April 2017
Make war, not liberals:
>Beyond RAM, the iMac isn't technically user-serviceable or upgradeable and when it comes to the market at large, that's what matters, no matter what you or I can do given a few hours and the right tools.

And yet, the market at large continues to buy iMacs.

>My iMac died a couple years ago and so I had to throw out a perfectly good, beautiful 27" screen because of a dead mobo.

Would you like some links to places you could have purchased refurbished logic boards for iMacs?
3:42 am — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Make war, not liberals:
>And yet, the market at large continues to buy iMacs.

Well let me qualify that. The market at large "for Macs" continue to buy them.

BTW, do you have the same dim opinion for those AIO laptops that suffer from the same compromises?
3:44 am — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Hateful BB-8:
"And yet, the market at large continues to buy iMacs."

Mac sales have been treading water for the last few years. The growth is in laptops. Apple's desktop lineup has been losing ground.

"Would you like some links to places you could have purchased refurbished logic boards for iMacs?"

Already know where to get them. You're missing my point.

"BTW, do you have the same dim opinion for those AIO laptops that suffer from the same compromises?"

No, of course not, because that product is meant to be mobile and therefore has a logical and clear reason for the display to be built in. Why Apple persists with this delusion that it needs to be the same for their consumer desktop is beyond me (and no, I don't count the Mini as it's underpowered and overpriced for what it is.)

Do you have a good explanation for why the display should be an integral part of a desktop machine in 2017? I can't think of any compelling reasons to keep this outdated concept around other than Apple is no longer capable of thinking outside the box.
5:03 am — Thursday, 6 April 2017
anonymous:
> Do you have a good explanation for why the display should be an integral part of a desktop machine in 2017? I can't think of any compelling reasons to keep this outdated concept around other than Apple is no longer capable of thinking outside the box.

people jizzed their shorts when the surface studio was announced. if no one cares about AIOs, why was there jizz all over everything?
5:21 am — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Sebby:
> So this is what Stockholm Syndrome looks like on a mass scale. Fuck this, too little FAR too late.

Quite right. You guys are fucking insane.

Anyway, it's the Mac Mini I'm rooting for. Heck, if they made the *current* Mac Pro with a single low-end GPU that cost a third of the price I'd take it. Meantime the iMac will have to do.

But the fact is that Apple simply don't care about the Mac and "pros" any more; it's now the second time they've had to tell people they'll be waiting another year for some amazing snake oil. I can't believe people can be made to jump so easily.
11:00 am — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Make war, not liberals:
>Do you have a good explanation for why the display should be an integral part of a desktop machine in 2017?

I already told you. Less clutter.

>I can't think of any compelling reasons to keep this outdated concept around other than Apple is no longer capable of thinking outside the box.

You're right. Everyone is getting off the AIO train. Yes sireee. Completely outdated. No one wants these things.

[http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401541,00.asp]()

[http://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-all-in-one-pc,review-2159.html]()

[https://www.lifewire.com/best-all-in-one-pcs-831942]()
11:21 am — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Cheese Head:
AIOs are great for 90% of the population. It's an appliance.

The other 10% are the whiny ones, but they're also the ones willing to spend on expensive GPUs and high-end components.

Apple hasn't served that market since, well, the Mac Pro. The last real hardcore mac was the 9600 series.
4:12 pm — Thursday, 6 April 2017
barkingsheltie:
For a lot of 3d people, myself included, ship has sailed. For video people, maybe Final cut & other issues is enough to make the wait tolerable.

This is just one article detailing issues and advantages of going PC.
https://www.thepixellab.net/mac-vs-pc-as-a-motion-designer-the-end-of-an-era

Not sure why Apple would need so much time to present modular based systems; these in large part already exist.

I will keep mac around for browsing, misc. And while no fan of windows, the hardware issues and not having to wait/trust Apple, make it hard to consider going back. Especially when Apple commands such high pricing for hardware on Pro side. I was surprised to find the quality of PC hardware has improved.
7:22 pm — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Hateful BB-8:
"people jizzed their shorts when the surface studio was announced. if no one cares about AIOs, why was there jizz all over everything?"

You didn't read my entire comment. Laptops and mobile devices are AIO because it makes sense there. Desktops do not need that.

"And yet, the market at large continues to buy iMacs."

No they don't. Apple has treaded water for the last year with Mac sales while increasing the percentage of laptops. That means logically fewer and fewer people are buying iMacs.

"I already told you. Less clutter."

Less clutter = two cables. I have a big HP display sitting atop a Mac Mini in front of me right now. That's literally the difference from an iMac. Two cables that are tucked down between the desk and the wall while effectively negates their existence.

Is that really worth holding on to AIO form factors for? I don't see it.

"You're right. Everyone is getting off the AIO train. Yes sireee. Completely outdated. No one wants these things."

I didn't say everyone was getting off them. I'm saying Apple offering nothing but an AIO in the mid-range is FUCKING STUPID. Do you really think that's a good strategy for them? Either a low-end Mac Pro or a "high-end" Mini with a GPU option that can be opened up and upgraded. That's not asking for the Moon. It's perfectly do-able, but Apple blithely ignores it.

Jesus, dude, seriously, get off Tim's dick already. Apple is fucking up in the mid-range consumer space and has been for many years.
8:33 pm — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Margaret Thatcher's Benevolent Vagina:
"people jizzed their shorts when the surface studio was announced. if no one cares about AIOs"

um the keyboard is detachable and in fact must be bought separately and attached. The surface isn't really an aio device in the same sense as a desktop machine.
10:37 pm — Thursday, 6 April 2017
Make love, not conservatives:
>I didn't say everyone was getting off them. I'm saying Apple offering nothing but an AIO in the mid-range is FUCKING STUPID. Do you really think that's a good strategy for them?

That is NOT what you said. You said they were outdated. Period. Which is horseshit. Just because they don't suit YOUR needs doesn't mean they don't suit those of others. And no, I don't think "that strategy" is a good one, but I never said it was. A little more diversity in the offerings would be a great thing.
3:44 am — Friday, 7 April 2017
Make love, not conservatives:
>>people jizzed their shorts when the surface studio was announced. if no one cares about AIOs, why was there jizz all over everything?

>You didn't read my entire comment. Laptops and mobile devices are AIO because it makes sense there. Desktops do not need that.

The Surface Studio is NOT a laptop/mobile device.
3:46 am — Friday, 7 April 2017
Make love, not conservatives:
This is the Surface Studio. Does this look like a mobile device?

![](http://d2kv389z282s26.cloudfront.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/10/Surface-Studio-main.jpg)
3:53 am — Friday, 7 April 2017
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