/2017/12/imac_pro_first_impressions

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Mac Pro Is Dead:
Wait for the Mac Pro
12:12 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
anonymous:
So, the demo was basically an HTC Vive demo? You know people have been using that on PC for nearly two years already?

The iMac Pro is incredibly overpriced.
12:25 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
hoopla:
there's a headphone jack?

this is totally unacceptable. they could have made it slimmer.

where's the courage?
1:17 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
hoopla:
from the iMore review: " it is millimeter-for-millimeter the exact same chassis as the existing 27-inch iMac. There are some differences in the mics, speakers, ports, and vents"

...so, not millimeter-for-millimeter, then? that is terrible writing, rene.
1:22 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
Q*Bert:
All 5 of the people who buy these will really love them though.
2:02 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
anonymous:
> ...so, not millimeter-for-millimeter, then? that is terrible writing, rene.

he's referring to the chassis, ie, the enclosure. it's the same. the guts are different. stop trying to be so edgy.
2:47 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
Hollywoodland:
> First, when is the “completely rethought” Mac Pro going to ship, and what is it going to offer above and beyond the iMac Pro besides separating the computer hardware from the display?

Uh, how about actual modular components like graphics cards so you can swap them out in 12 months after this one becomes woefully outdated?

The iMac Pro is literally just the trash can all over again. In fact, it's worse, because now any remaining serviceable parts are trapped in the matrix of shit behind the display.

Wait for the Mac Pro.
5:27 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
knowitall:
"Uh, how about actual modular components like graphics cards so you can swap them out in 12 months after this one becomes woefully outdated?"

but what about the drivers?

Companies dont make alot of drivers for macOS. Thats the issue. And has always been the issue.

macOS expandibility is limited by macOS, nothing will change that. Not even a mac pro with access to the pci bus.

Also, Thunderbolt 3 is pretty fast now. Some guy was saying his egpu ran only 20% less using TB3. So the idea that you need to pop the hood and stuff things in a box is kind of dead.

Right now its pretty much like vinyl, it's nostalgia.. not much more.
10:45 am — Friday, 15 December 2017
Hollywoodland:
You're talking out of your ass. NVIDIA has been releasing web drivers for existing Mac Pro users for years now, that's not even close to the issue. People who use them for boot screens get them flashed by MacVidCards because the ROI is through the roof. Do you think for a minute that editors using AVID, Adobe and DaVinci are sitting around waiting for their 4 year old D700 trash cans to get going?

I had an eGPU - an Asus ROG XG Station 2 plugged into a 2017 MacBook Pro 15. You lose 15% off the top immediately because 4 lanes of PCIe across TB3 isn't the 8-16 a standalone card needs, and then there's the whole issue of macOS still being pretty terrible at hot swapping. Bonus problem: Because the dGPU in the laptop eats up a 16x PCIe bus upon initialization, you lose a ton of resources you aren't even using. eGPU support is a joke on both macOS and Windows - and even if you get it working, one small update somewhere in the chain can ruin the whole thing. It's a pointless novelty and at least 3 years from mainstream use.

The only way around all of this is to allow dedicated cards, which a new Mac Pro will undoubtedly do. There's almost literally no other way to reasonably differentiate from the iMac Pro.
3:57 pm — Friday, 15 December 2017
Ero:
> (admittedly gorgeous) space gray

Space gray is the rose gold of monochrome. Not quite black, not silver. Ugly.

> they are exclusively SSD-based. There are no configurations with spinning hard drives or Fusion drives

It's embarrasing the iMacs still ship with spinning drives at all. A workstation using SSDs is not noteworthy, it's mandatory.

> 10-gigabit Ethernet

The only impressive thing.

> Apple has been effectively out of the professional desktop hardware game for a few years.

Understatement of the decade.

> when Apple took the unprecedented step of holding a small media summit

He linked to his earlier post (sorry, "piece"), but I'm surprised he didn't say "the summit I attended".

> The new iMac Pros that started shipping today deliver on half of that promise.

No, they don't.

> Second, and to me far more importantly: how committed is Apple to keeping the iMac Pro up to date?

Actions speak louder than words. Their actions lately strongly suggest they won't keep it current. Which is a double whammy, given they're not upgradeable.
2:41 am — Tuesday, 19 December 2017
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