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anonymous:
You have to admit that Apple is pretty Orwellian as far as third parties are concerned, and increasingly so, on both iOS and Mac.
7:00 pm — Tuesday, 4 October 2016
jimothy:
>You have to admit that Apple is pretty Orwellian as far as third parties are concerned, and increasingly so, on both iOS and Mac.

How so?
7:06 pm — Tuesday, 4 October 2016
anonymous:
u mad grubs ?
8:41 pm — Tuesday, 4 October 2016
gruber circlejerk:
> You have to admit that Apple is pretty Orwellian as far as third parties are concerned, and increasingly so, on both iOS and Mac.

I'd say that they've become _less_ Orwellian as Cook has become more ingrained. Sure, some things are typical Apple, like the Lightning port, but each successive iOS release gives users and developers more and more freedom. And if you're talking about the Mac App Store, well, that's been a miserable failure, so whatever Apple wanted to do, it hasn't happened.

> It occurs to me that many executives who were willing to bet publicly on Flash Player for mobile circa 2010 are no longer around. A notable exception: Kevin Lynch.

Ignoring the fact that he works for Apple now, what did you expect the CTO of Adobe to say? It's one thing if you're a company touting Flash in their devices as a 'feature,' it's another when you _make_ Flash. And, truth be told, Adobe has survived the transition to subscription pricing tremendously well.
8:54 pm — Tuesday, 4 October 2016
Phil S.:
We're getting better... don't worry... you aint seen nothing yet! ;)
11:02 pm — Tuesday, 4 October 2016
To Be Fair:
>You have to admit that Apple is pretty Orwellian as far as third parties are concerned

Sure, if "Orwellian" means "whatever the fuck you want Orwellian to mean."
11:57 pm — Tuesday, 4 October 2016
anonymous:
>Sure, if "Orwellian" means "whatever the fuck you want Orwellian to mean."



Oh come on. Apple has been banning all kinds of things for a while. Anything that's not puritan and leftist gets banned from App Store. That's pretty fucking Orwellian.
2:31 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
Google's Pixel is beating the shit out of iPhone 7!

Better camera, better screen, better battery life, better AI, and it has a 3.5mm jack!

Apple's fucking dead.
2:34 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
gruber circlejerk:
> Better camera, better screen, better battery life, better AI, and it has a 3.5mm jack!

I'll give you better AI. Siri sucks. (Dictation rocks though). Other than that, go fuck yourself. This is an Apple blog, we just all hate John Gruber.
2:45 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
> Other than that, go fuck yourself. This is an Apple blog, we just all hate John Gruber.

NO U!

Everything I said about Pixel being better is fucking true. Deal with it, applefag.

The most embarrasing part is how Pixel has a better camera than iPhone... since Apple has been making their own cameras for over 5 years yet this is Google's first camera... and it's better.

That's fucking sad.
4:35 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
yeah, i'll wait until people do some hands on reviews and actually touch the things before anyone claims google is winning. all kinds of phones have 'beat' the iphone on spec sheets, but here we are anyway.
5:04 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Hateful BB-8:
"You have to admit that Apple is pretty Orwellian as far as third parties are concerned, and increasingly so, on both iOS and Mac."

Nope. You're stupid.
5:28 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Hateful BB-8:
Google is a fucking joke at this point, especially after the debacle called Google Glass.

But whatever, they can keep trying.
5:30 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Hateful BB-8:
"we just all hate John Gruber"

Aw, someone's grumpy. Did Gruber fuck your mommy in the butt?

Again.
5:31 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Clinton is the man!:
Why isn't google happy with it's 82% share? It's weird - they should be stroking each other's genitalia.

Instead, they're fixated on Apple.

I suppose Apple just has that thing that drives everyone else bonkers.
5:32 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
>Apple is a fucking joke at this point, especially after the debacle called iPod Hi-Fi.

>Apple is a fucking joke at this point, especially after the debacle called Ping.

See what I did?
6:51 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Dumb Grub:
Either Grubber didn't actually read the article, or he's being dishonest. Right at the top of the piece, the reporter goes to some length to justify his statement that the Pixel will, "for the first time will go head-to-head."

Here's the part he missed off - that desperate, lying fuck.

“Google is now the seller of record of this phone,” said Rick Osterloh, chief of the company’s new hardware division. He notes that the company is now managing inventory, building relationships with carriers, sourcing components, making supply chain deals and managing distribution. Google is even making accessories, including cases and cables.

Until now, Google had satisfied itself with dipping a toe into the smartphone hardware business with the six-year-old Nexus program, a co-branding effort that outsourced the vast majority of development to other smartphone makers. While well regarded, Nexus handsets were mostly a way for Google to experiment. But along the way, executives began to see the benefit of the Apple approach: a unified portfolio of consumer electronics products that show off its services better than partners can. A Home speaker device, a virtual reality headset, a Wi-Fi router system and an updated video streaming stick were also unveiled on Tuesday at an event in San Francisco."

There's plenty he could've attacked - not least Google copying the iPhone's design - the one the entire world got bored with two years ago - oh, but that would mean saying something nasty about sexy daddy apple.

8:43 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Dumb Grub:
And here's some more:

""The difference with this device is that we started from the beginning,” says Dave Burke, who runs Android engineering. By contrast, Google’s contributions to Nexus phones typically didn’t happen until they were 90 percent done."

8:46 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
Is Gruber now an Apple employee? Sure seems like it.
8:52 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Sebby:
> Better camera, better screen, better battery life, better AI, and it has a 3.5mm jack!

And Google apps.

This phone is for iPhone users. It sucks if you're already into Android with the Nexus line and expect to pay reasonable prices for a phone that does what most people want. I'm happy iPhone is getting competition, but when the improvements are so marginal and, as I said, it's Google hardware for Google apps, it's really hard to see why I'd want it. Which brings me to ...

> The second clause is nonsense: Google has been going head-to-head against the iPhone ever since the first Android phone debuted. You can’t say the Nexus phones don’t count just because they never succeeded.

That is complete bollocks, Mr. Gruber, and you know it full well.
11:02 am — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
Gruber seems to have some serious Gurman envy. What a terrible piece.
1:30 pm — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Clinton is the man!:
It's google branded - not like the other google-branded shit that failed.
2:09 pm — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
We were just ((experimenting)) with those other, failed attempts at selling hardware. Now ((executives)) see the benefit of the Apple approach, where you try to sell hardware that people might actually want to buy.
4:30 pm — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Vanilla Dry Ice:
@anonyous: "The most embarrasing part is how Pixel has a better camera than iPhone.."

No one other than Ken Rockwell will be able to tell the difference, so it really doesn't matter. Since most of your photos end up on Instagram anyway, why does it matter than Pixel's camera is better than iPhone 7's by a factor of Nobody-Can-Fucking-Notice?
4:33 pm — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
Tony Soprano:
Android sux.
7:21 pm — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
oh my: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/05/apples-iphone-7-handily-outperforms-new-google-pixel-in-early-benchmarks

> Early benchmarks for the Pixel and Pixel XL phones in Geekbench 4 have come in at around 4100 for multiple core performance, and 1580 for single core, consistent with the earliest numbers claimed to be for the phone from mid-September.

In contrast, the Apple iPhone 7 link textmultiple core score is around 5600 regardless of model, with a single core score of around 3430.

For comparison, the iPhone 6s Plus has a multiple core benchmark of 4106, and a single core rating of 2508.

wow, so the year old iphone is still better than the brand new pixel, that's kicking apple's ass? ok.
7:51 pm — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
>No one other than Ken Rockwell will be able to tell the difference, so it really doesn't matter. Since most of your photos end up on Instagram anyway, why does it matter than Pixel's camera is better than iPhone 7's by a factor of Nobody-Can-Fucking-Notice?

That's not the point. Point is that Apple has been making cameras for 5 years and they have 800 (!!) people working on it yet they were beaten by someone who never made a camera before.

That's the fucking embarrassment.
10:38 pm — Wednesday, 5 October 2016
anonymous:
> That's the fucking embarrassment.

That, plus the fact that Apple spends A LOT of time talking about how the camera is so critical to the phone, and that the new iPhone 7 camera(s) are the greatest thing ever, etc.
4:18 am — Thursday, 6 October 2016
Hans Gruber:
>It occurs to me that many executives who were willing to bet publicly on Flash Player for mobile circa 2010 are no longer around.

It occurs to me that Flash Player outlived a very certain executive.

RIP our lord and savior Stevesus.
5:17 am — Thursday, 6 October 2016
anonymous:
i guarantee you that the only people that notice the difference in the cameras are the nerds masturbating over the DxOMark graphs.
4:52 pm — Thursday, 6 October 2016
catfood:
wouldn't mind having a back fingerprint sensor on my iphone.

wonder how well theirs works.
5:29 pm — Thursday, 6 October 2016
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