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anonymous:
Gruber's working overtime trying to deflect the MASSIVE outrage at Apple. It's been brewing for few years as Apple has killed Aperture, destroyed FCP7 and replaced it with a toy and basically killed or neutered all the pro apps.


And now they've even killed the pro line of laptops and desktops.

Apple completely abandoned pro market. They're now only interested in basically toy devices.
3:17 am — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous:
Yes, toy devices that are faster than ever before and have four 40 Gpbs express lanes...
7:40 am — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous:
Then don't call them PRO!

This is why Apple has a MacBook line – to cater to the users who don't require the availability of professional features.

If Apple cared about professional Mac users, they would act like it. But every time they have the opportunity to puncture that "myth," they prove it right.

If this were 1996, Gruber would be fellating Gil Amelio, while we are clamoring for the return of Steve.
8:28 am — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
To Be Fair:
>This is the nut of the argument against the new MacBook Pros.

It really isn't. You could have all of these:

* Faster processors
* More RAM
* Longer battery life

If they would only make it a little bit thicker. There's no need to compromise on performance.

If you want a super-thin computer, they have the Macbook and Macbook Air lines. Just leave the Pros a little bit chunkier, and don't sacrifice performance. Also don't waste time and money on this Touchbar gimmick.
9:11 am — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
knowitall:
I dont get it. You have 4 full speed ports that can do anything. You can even drive an external graphics card with each port if you wanted to and it;s not pro?

What is then? Who would need that power if not pro's?

And it was only a few years ago that most programs couldnt access more than 3gb of ram at any one time. Now you NEED 32gb of ram? What for? What are you doing that needs 32gb of ram available at the same time?

Why are you running 5 VM's at once?

It's a laptop. The whole point of a laptop is to compromise power with portability and durability. That is why they exist. And apple builds them as thin and as light with good battery life because that is what defines a good laptop.

If you want top power get a desktop. This product just isnt for you.
11:53 am — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
gruber circlejerk:
> If you want top power get a desktop. This product just isnt for you.

Oh? Which Mac desktop do you recommend, especially for pros?
12:50 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
Rageous:
"The new MacBook Pro SSDs offer industry-leading read and write performance, years ahead of the competition."

You mean besides the Samsung SM961 that's been shipping to OEMs for 6 months now? Sure.
3:27 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
knowitall:
gruber circlejerk:

An imac is probably a better pro machine than a macbook. A mac pro is better still.

Obviously they have not been updated yet so I think an argument for those machines lacking the power / expansion pro users would like is valid.

But what seems to be happening is that people expect a laptop to be the most powerful machine they have and run it as a replacement desktop. Which is fine if your needs are met like that but an actual laptop has other priorities beyond absolute power and ability to plug whatever into it.

Basically, pro for a macbook has never meant "pro" in terms of what a desktop is.

People are asking Apple to make a marquee device thats not profitable for them as some sort of marketing excersize. To reassure the "pro's" that they still do geek like they want it.

Well they did that and no one really bought it (mac pro). So I guess Apple are saying, those type or "pro's" dont matter right now. They just talk and moan but dont pay the rent.
3:50 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous carptard:
"It does not cover the needs of a developer’s average workday without us making some compromises in our workflow and productivity."

Fuck you you lazy tool. I'm running android studio, xcode, bbedit, have a bunch of ssh tunnels out to various places, slack, outlook, word, excel, skype, and other sundry tools EVERY DAY. Oh yeah, and I have a mysql, mongodb, and node running.

What the fuck do you do, you lazy ass developer who needs more than 16GB of ram?

Get a fucking desktop. That's why I have 8 32-GB Mac Pro 1,1s and 3,1s with 12TB each on my back end.
3:56 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous carptard:
If you're running 4 VMs you're doing it wrong. have you heard the good news about dicker? It allows dicks like you to avoid the overhead of a whole VM.
3:58 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
Spooner:
Tired of the Amateur Hour peanut gallery declaring what "Professionals" need.

I'm a professional. Software developer.

I would love to have a 32GB MacBook Pro and I was disappointed too.

But I'm still recognizing this is the best laptop out there.

Also, because I actually am a Professional, I know the REASON there isn't 32GB:

Skylake doesn't support 32GB of LPDDR3.

That simple.

So if these amateurs want to blame anyone, they should blame intel.
4:00 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
Spooner:
There are legitimate reasons to run VMs and not Docker containers, like for instance you're testing a deployment system that uses VMs.

The thing that sucks up all my memory is Safari. I have way too many Safari tabs open. This could be a software problem-- if Apple would just page out the tabs Im not looking at to SSD then that would require less RAM.
4:04 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous carptard:
Yes, there are reasons for using a VM instead of docker, but I doubt he understands that.

If he really needs 4 machines on his machine he's doing it wrong. Put those machines somewhere else and use the magic of the network.
4:47 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous:
>Skylake doesn't support 32GB of LPDDR3.



So use REGULAR DDR4 you fucking idiot! Other manufactuers use it! You don't get 10 hrs (you get around 7) but at least you have a good computer as a result. Not a fucking toy.


>You can even drive an external graphics card with each port if you wanted to and it;s not pro?

Nigger, I'm not made of money. If I spend >$2000 on a fucking laptop, it better not need an external graphics card. And have you looked at prices of external enclosures? I can buy a new laptop for that price.



Razer makes a really good laptop for $1600 that gets everything right.

Fuck off, Tim Cook!
4:48 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous:
> Razer makes a really good laptop for $1600 that gets everything right.

Oh, good! I am relieved that you can buy one of those then. I was worried that you were going to be stuck without a solution, forced to just bitch and moan and whine and complain on comment threads on third-rate blogs.

I'm glad this story has a happy ending after all!
4:56 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous carptard:
you know, you can get a kaby lake HP laptop for $612.

If it fits your needs go for it. I don't really care about your whining about "Apple's not meeting my needs."

Apple's like the honey badger: it just doesn't care. If you don't like what they're offering get something else. It's a free country.

You know, my BMW convertible doesn't seat 5. If you don't like it don't buy it.
5:22 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
Depressed:
In the same way that a keynote with SJ was exiting and now Apple's keynotes are kind of depressing; the company that was exiting cutting edge is now depressing.
Yes, Apple is making a lot of money. But they had the chance of creating new products, even new industries and after 5 years of Tim Cook we have nothing. Very sad.
11:16 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
Depressed:
Imagine having unlimited funds, ability of hiring the best and more intelligent people of earth, acquiring companies and have control of materials, chips, software. You have literally 1000s of people working.
Now, you have 5 years to develop anything you want. Anything.
And the best you come up with is that Touch Bar?
11:22 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous carptard:
The touch bar is some kind of weird teledildonics refugee stuck onto a laptop.

It's true, the imagination at Apple is lacking. But you could say that for the industry as a whole.
12:09 am — Thursday, 3 November 2016
Depressed:
It wasn't like that when Sj was alive.
12:18 am — Thursday, 3 November 2016
Gruber Watch:
Gruber keeps saying these are simply design conscious design choices by Apple.

Like invoking the rarefied and little used design word and conscious in one sentance is a rational argument justifying these choices outside the default "average pro user" comment. The "average user" comment is something that I last heard at a PC swap meet about 10 years ago from a cheapo motherboard reseller.

We are saying some of these choices are the *wrong* design choices for pro users, even if they sell a lot more candy macbook pros to the users.

Lighter, thinner you already did that stop with that will you. I want a macbook pro that doesn't overheat during a live set in front of hundreds of people like my 2015 purchase did last week. I want more RAM, I want user upgrades not spiteful gluing of SSDs to the chassis so Apple can gauge on SSD prices. Even Apple upgrades on internals would be something for pro users.

$50-70 doggles for all my $30 TB2 and HDMI, Ethernet cables is bullshit too. As is the price hike.

Ives has too much power in Apple. At least Jobs kept him guessing. Cook has made Ives power behind the throne and I seriously will scream if I hear one more of his monotonously superlative laden videos about their fetishisation of hardware.

4 TB3 connectors was good but not worth ditch everything including affordability for. I'll pay some premium for macOS I don't want to think I'm buying into a Luxe brand just for the social status of it.

Give Ives a fucking car to work on and get some more people leading up design divisions so they have some diversity in thought and direction. MacPro was out of reach and languished from the day it was launched, this MBP reeks of the same disease.
6:43 pm — Thursday, 3 November 2016
Gruber Watch:
So now the Apple+Gruber defence is we don't make the worlds best computing experiences, we make computing for the mainstream. Thanks you Gruber you just contradicted everything you've ever said about Apple.
6:45 pm — Thursday, 3 November 2016
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