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anonymous:
He totally misses it.
5:14 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
anonymous:
>Best piece I’ve seen on last week’s announcements.


HAHHAH... best? Fuck Gruber. He's a shill.
5:48 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
To Be Fair:
>We demand Apple innovate, but we insist they don’t change anything.

This has nothing to do with the complaints. People just want Apple to make good computers for a reasonable price.

Of course, Gruber agrees with a stupid straw man.
6:19 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
Hateful BB-8:
Saw an ongoing argument on macrumors.com a week ago about how Apple should discontinue the iMac and Mini and focus on making one killer desktop line. Of course, there was a group defending the idea and then the Mac fanboys shitting their pants over it and claiming the iMac and Mini are perfect and holy as is thankyouverymuch. I think that's actually not a bad idea. Apple designed those machines ages ago for different needs and different times. Might be time to move on. They haven't really offered a really good desktop machine in a very long time. The all-in-one thing is dated and the Mini is nice but underpowered. I'd love to see what Apple could do if they put their heart and soul into it.
6:27 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
anonymous:
Hateful BB-8, we all would. But what the fuck did Apple put into the new MacBook Pro?
7:32 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
Donald Clinton:
>The all-in-one thing is dated

You're dated.
8:54 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
anonymous:
>But what the fuck did Apple put into the new MacBook Pro?

Guts from what should have been the next Macbook Air?
10:08 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
Sebby:
This piece is grasping at straws. If he'd just said, up front, that Apple simply no longer care about a core part of its user base, it would have been a lot more credible. See his previous post for something actually approaching sanity on Apple's attitude to its products.
10:08 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
knowitall:
The thing that everyone forgets is that Apple actually KNOW what their customers want. They know their customers are on a bullshit.

They know that the twitter apple set, the ones that used to go to macworld, hardly pay for lunch at Apple anymore.

They know the exec who wants a nice light computer to go travelling with is making them money. Not the guy who buys one pc and keeps fixing and upgrading bits and never buying anything else from Apple for the next 6yrs.

I just find the moaning a joke. How many people really even know how 32gb is really helping them in their daily life? How many people are running a render farm? Virtualizing 15 desktops at once?

Apple have done their research. They monitor their customers usage and know better than their customers how they actually use their products.

Which is why they can get away with removing headphone jacks and ports etc.. because they know the majority wouldnt miss it because they dont use them as much as they think they do.

Apple is not catering for the minority. It caters for the majority and tries to push to minority to where the majority are.

And its expensive because lets face it, for the last 20yrs theyve made the best computers on earth consistently with the best support. So if you want that reassurance, thats what you buy.

(having said that I expect them to drop the prices because these ones are too steep).
10:15 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
ano:
The prices are obscene. They're not even using top shelf internal parts. They even got rid of the extension on the short AC adapter and charge an extra $19 for it.

The keyboard fucking sucks.

The touchbar is a shitty gimmick that doesn't make sense from a practical usage standpoint.


People are pissed for good reasons
11:08 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
anonymous:
I wonder if Gruber understands how defensive he (and other designated water carriers) sound right now.
11:35 am — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
anonymous:
> The all-in-one thing is dated

wait, everyone is jizzing themselves over the microsoft surface wankoff machine that's not even shipping yet. so who's right?
1:08 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
To Be Fair:
>I wonder if Gruber understands how defensive he (and other designated water carriers) sound right now.

No.

Aside from DF, if you've listened to him on his own and other podcasts lately, he clearly lacks any self-awareness.
1:38 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
knowitall:
Doesnt everyone get sick of these moral panics caused by whinging mac heads all the time?

Every few months there's an apple is doomed blog post from Marco or someone else. But 6 months later they dont say a thing. The icloud stuff, the ios7 changes, maps, apple music..

Every 6 months someone says Apple has a problem and they're doomed. Its getting boring now. ios10 is the slicked mobile OS I have ever seen, yet according to Mossberg apple have a problem developing quality software? really?

At the end of the day, Cook has bigger problems than satisfying a few thousand hard core mac heads. The Mac business is probably only 20% of their revenue if that. What keeps Cook awake a night is when iphones radically drop in sales it will take 3/4 of the profits with it.

So I'd forgive him for not giving a f*ck about usb ports and 32gb of ram on some laptops. It's the least of his worries.
2:56 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
Anonymous®:
They're the worst computers ever, except for all the rest.

@knowitall +1

The web is 90% complainers, 5% reasonable discourse, and 5% cat pictures.

3:19 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
A Trained Chimp:
Agreed, knowitall, the bitching is off the charts on this one, and it has all gotten so tiresome. About 1 percent of the people complaining about "no 32 gb!!!" actually need the 32 gigs. The others are just spec-obsessed dick-measurers, and Apple has never really cared about them. It's just that the degree to which Apple doesn't care about them is more evident than ever.
5:22 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
anonymous:
What keeps Cook awake a night is when iphones radically drop in sales it will take 3/4 of the profits with it.

That;s funny. You lament Mac users but do you know who makes APPS for all those iPhones?

Yep, Mac users.

When you kill off MBP, you've just eliminated the greatest source of your apps for the iPhone.
5:28 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
catfood:
how much horsepower do you need to develop apps?

not arguing, just asking.
5:49 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
fuckin' name:
>how much horsepower do you need to develop apps?


As much as I can get. True story.


Also, about the 16 GB thing - what boggles my mind is that seemingly tech-minded people don't know shit about what they're talking about. Just go to Intel's website and you'll see that most of their mobile CPUs don't support more than 16 GB of RAM. Sure, that could be an artificial limitation due to market segmentation, but that doesn't matter. People will bitch and moan at Apple, while Intel was at fault here. And no "pundit" seams smart-enough to go and look up data that's freely available.


Most of the time the hardware decisions for Macs are pushed not by Apple, but Intel. Apple needs to get parts from Intel. It can't get parts that don't exist on the market.


Apple doesn't update the Mac mini? Update it to what? Intel doesn't have the newer CPUs that would be suitable for it. Or are you suggesting Apple install $400 CPUs in a $600 machine?


For the last 5 or so years Intel has continually dropped the ball on timely CPU refreshes across their product portfolio. It doesn't seem so from the outside to the casual observer, since Intel "releases" (i.e. announces) new product families regularly, but what most people don't know is that "Intel has released Sandybridge CPUs" does not equal "any CPU in Inte's portfolio is available in the new Sandybridge variation".


Intel has a shit load of different CPUs on the market, they have Celerons and Pentiums for christ's sake, which are used in mainstream (i.e. cheap low-end) PCs and which Apple doesn't use. And even the "core i5" and "core i7" brands are in reality a clusterfuck of probably hundreds different SKUs, which aren't just magically refreshed when Intel officially "releases" a new family of CPUs.


P.S: the keyboard is good, the touch bar is nice idea, going for Thunderbold3/USB-C is a must, the only real problem of Apple's hardware is an obsession with reducing thickness, but that what people drool over so that's that.
6:22 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
To Be Fair:
@knowitall:

>Every few months there's an apple is doomed blog post from Marco or someone else.

Marco has *never* written an "Apple is doomed" post, so I don't know where you're getting that from.
6:42 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
A Trained Chimp:
He's talking about this dipshit

https://marco.org/2015/01/04/apple-lost-functional-high-ground
7:42 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
To Be Fair:
@ A Trained Chimp:

But that's not an "Apple is doomed" article.

Either you have terrible reading comprehension, or you interpret any criticism of Apple as "Apple is doomed."
7:54 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
anonymous:
>P.S: the keyboard is good

Compared to what? Keyboard's a steaming pile of shit compared to 2015MBP. If I wanted to type on glass, I'd buy a fucking iPad. New MBP keyboard hurts your fingertips after few hours of use. That's unacceptable.


>the touch bar is nice idea

It's a fucking gimmick.

>going for Thunderbold3/USB-C is a must

Maybe 2 years from now it will be a must. Right now, it's not even close to being a must.

>the only real problem of Apple's hardware is an obsession with reducing thickness, but that what people drool over so that's that.

Thinness is the root cause of all this bullshit. Quest to have something super-thin has caused a HUGE reduction in battery capacity, the addition of shit keyboard and also the lack of real GPU.
10:04 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
toolshed:
People are stupid.
10:26 pm — Tuesday, 1 November 2016
soumynona:
You've spent two hours typing on the unreleased MBP? Everything about it sucks and you'd never buy one, but why not spend a couple of hours in the Apple store giving the keyboard a fair chance?
2:45 am — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
addicted:
Sorry, not typing for a couple of hours on a keyboard that made my fingertips hurt within minutes.

NEVER felt that on the mac laptops I've been using for over 10 years before.
8:21 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
anonymous:
> Sorry, not typing for a couple of hours on a keyboard that made my fingertips hurt within minutes.

Sorry, that made me laugh.

You must have some really fucking frail fingers; I feel bad for you.
9:45 pm — Wednesday, 2 November 2016
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