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Q*Bert:
> China’s authoritarian regime is the problem here, not Apple.

This is where we _actually_ need that "courage" thing. But of course where there's a buck to be made, that quickly goes out the window.
10:58 pm — Thursday, 5 January 2017
anonymous:
Yeah but the fucking New York Times is not worth sacrificing Apple for. Good choice.
11:03 pm — Thursday, 5 January 2017
FFS:
Cook is just another sad cuck the chinamen are totally taking advantage of. But President trump will show them - mark my words the iPhone 8 will be made in Texas.
11:45 pm — Thursday, 5 January 2017
Vanilla Dry Ice:
Q*bert:

By 'courage', you mean break a sovereign country's laws, even if we think those laws suck dick?
12:26 am — Friday, 6 January 2017
@Vanilla Dry Ice:
Or pull out of China.

Google did it.
1:53 am — Friday, 6 January 2017
Q*Bert:
> By 'courage', you mean break a sovereign country's laws, even if we think those laws suck dick?

No, I mean the courage to pull out of the country. Yes, I'm well aware there's billions of dollars to be left on the table there, and that iPhones etc. are made there. But until companies are all willing to make those hard choices and move production elsewhere, China will continue fucking them over. The companies themselves (usually in order to favor Chinese companies, randomly "investigating" the companies for obvious bullshit reasons), and consumers (censorship, forcing installation of insecure backdoors or demanding access to source code and so on, randomly shutting down services like iBooks and iTunes).

I mean I know it's a super shitty choice for a business and it's not fair at all, but to do business in China you basically have to sell your soul and let those assholes use you however they want to.

Maybe it's pure fantasy, but I wish everyone would pull out and tell them to fuck off and enjoy their suddenly crippled economy. Moving production of high-volume physical goods to the US would be very expensive but there are other countries who could do it at a more reasonable price while being a little less unsavory to work with at the same time. Possibilities are Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines (although with Duterte that is now dicey), Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Mexico, Brazil, and Poland.
1:57 am — Friday, 6 January 2017
gruber123:
There are 1.2 billion people in China who can determine their own fate. Our corporations don't need to play white knight captain save-a-ho with the Chinese.
5:52 am — Friday, 6 January 2017
webOS & BB10 forever:
No shit sherlock (Gruber). So let's let Foxconn move all those iPhone building machines over in Austin, TX or the People's Republic of California already. Does Tim Cook want to do business with a country that doesn't want its people to be free? That is the big question.
6:35 am — Friday, 6 January 2017
anonymous:
What happened to courage?
9:29 am — Friday, 6 January 2017
Stroke! Stroke!:
Who lets courage get in the way of making a couple of billion?

4:44 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
Sebby:
What Q*Bert said, basically. Even if it costs a little extra, it's got to be worth it to put your foot down.
4:48 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
anonymous:
Those yellow bastards can make decisions for themselves. We don't need more political bullshit from Tim Cook at the expense of shareholders.

Apple needs to focus on making amazing products, not projecting the rainbow agenda.
4:52 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
Stroke! Stroke!:
How hypocritical is tech when they criticize the US but do business in countries that actively kill people who are not mainstream?

Here are tech people criticizing North Carolina, when they do business in countries that actively hunt down and kill the transgendered.

Isn't multiculturalism about accepting the dumb beliefs of everyone, including the ones espoused by your fellow citizens?
5:09 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
anonymous:
Multiculturalism was a mistake.
5:54 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
Dicknose:
Shocker.
6:04 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
anonymous:
>Multiculturalism was a mistake.


No shit. Multiculturalism destroyed West.
7:12 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
Stroke! Stroke!:
Multiculturalism was most likely a long-term USSR era operation to seed American and Western culture with bogus ideas, so as to destroy our society from the inside.

As far as I can tell it's worked out pretty well.
7:24 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
anonymous:
Russia maintains their strong family values and prevents cultural degeneracy.

No, it's clear (((who))) keeps pushing this agenda through the USA and Europe.
9:52 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
timothy:
@anonymous

That worked out great for Russia!
11:33 pm — Friday, 6 January 2017
Stroke! Stroke!:
Russia's always been sort of fucked up. That doesn't mean they don't have a lot of smart people who play the long game.
4:40 am — Saturday, 7 January 2017
always-on:
Q*Bert: it takes more courage to make a buck...
11:09 pm — Sunday, 8 January 2017
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