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Dicknose:
Trump puts his dick in my nose.
1:23 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Dicknose:
Hey my doppelganger is back again.

How flattering that I get people to post as me.

With that out of the way,

>Brin immigrated from the former Soviet Union as a child; his family sought to escape antisemitism. Pichai was born in India.

And neither country is one of the seven that Obama listed and Trump inherited and enforced.

Get your own name.

But in a way I'm glad I've pissed you off enough to post as me. You must be a real gem.
1:42 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous:
Fuck you Gruber!
2:13 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Repent & Believe :
"I have two examples of immigrants from countries not on the list, so does that prove the list is bad?" ~ Groobez

It is this ridiculous reasoning that prevents civilized discussion.

Side note: I'm for open borders. Come on in.
2:23 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous immigrant:
Well, the immigrants in question are speaking at a rally against the immigration ban, so it's not like Groober is making a huge leap of logic here.

For those who insist that Groober is on Apple's payroll, this post is a mild dig at Apple for taking a relatively weak stand against the ban. Not sure which way this evidence points.
3:35 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Not Anonymous:
Not all humans are equal. Not all immigrants are equal.

There's no virtue or merit in pretending otherwise.

I'm happy that Brin and Pichai are here. But their lives are not indicative of the the immigrant experience.

And the immigration policy they favor does not serve the interests of the republic.
3:50 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous:
This has nothing to do with anti-semitism, racism etc.

All these billionaire tech fucks are worried because H-1B scam is over. They won't be able to lover everyone's wages anymore.

Fuck you Brin!
4:21 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous:
> Too many Silicon Valley CEOs “are from South Asia or from Asia”.
Aren't they, though?
5:11 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Dicknose:
How about we make it nice and simple like Japan does.

In Japan you need a degree to live there and work long term.

Oh wait! We can't do that here. Who would pick the fruit? Clean the houses? Mow the grass? Make my tacos?

And in reality its not simple to move to Japan.

Why don't they all move to Saudi Arabia? Abu Dhabi? The culture and language is far more similar.

Oh yeah that's right, even their own people don't want them.

Its kind of like Black Lives Matter. Black lives matter to everyone except for all of the black people who kill each other in droves. Accounting for over 50% of homicides with less than 13% of the population.

And by less than 13% I mean that men make up almost all of the murdersers, (white or black) so its closer to 7% of the population that makes up over 50% of homicides.

Where is Black Lives Matter on that? Here is a start. Stop killing yourselves. Stop committing crime. Graduate high school. Get a job. Stop making babies you can't afford. Its not that hard.
5:44 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
JonathanJK:
@Dicknose

I agree with the making babies thing, but you do black people are serious into the word of God, the church says no to the dick glove.

The rest is flawed, black people are passed over for job applications based on their name. Black people are at systematic disadvantage in many cases.
5:55 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
ohm:
@Dicknose:

There are loads of people living in Japan that don't have degrees. I happen to have a degree (a worthless one in Post Colonial Literature), and I live here, but my mates who do not, also live here.

But I'm on a spousal visa, same with my mates.

I'm still amazed that leftists are fixated on the 'immigration' preceded by 'illegal' and conflate this ban on people from a few countries, with people from all countries.

@Repent & Believe is right: all this conflation and straw-manning of others's arguments, prevents civil discussion.
5:57 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
To Be Fair:
@Dicknose:

Fuck off, racist.
6:01 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Not Anonymous:
TBF, can you diagram your post so we're all clear on which part is the argument and which part is the insult?
6:09 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Dicknose:
@JonathanJK

Fair response. But belief in God does not make an excuse for not wearing the dick glove. If cost is a problem they have em free at lots of places. One of which is Planned Parenthood and it sucks, in my opinion, that Trump wants to defund that.

As for institutional racism I see decent hard working black people (and all sorts of people) with funky names all over the place.

But your point is well taken. Even though I disagree that a name or skin color alone denies anyone a job.

Great comment.

@ohm

>But I'm on a spousal visa, same with my mates.

I forgot about that. Japan allows for spousal visas. As should the USA. No doubt about that. But if you move to Japan without a degree you can't over-stay your travel visa unless you find a job. Which can be difficult.

Great comment. And great input. Thanks for mentioning that.

@To Be Fair

You are not worth my time.

@Not Anonymous

Asking To Be Fair to make an argument is like watching a infant eat Cheerios.

Lots of luck with that.
6:45 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous:
A bunch of PRIVILEGED BILLIONAIRES want to import THOUSANDS of H1B visa holders to lower everyone's wages... and they claim this is done out of a goodness of their heart?

AHHAHAHAHA

Leftists are fucking retards.
8:49 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Dicknose:
>A bunch of PRIVILEGED BILLIONAIRES want to import THOUSANDS of H1B visa holders to lower everyone's wages... and they claim this is done out of a goodness of their heart?

I suggest that you learn what H1B visa means.

We want these kinds of people. Here. Now.

>The H1B visa is designed to be used for foreign workers in "speciality occupations", which require theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor.

>How do I demonstrate an employer-employee relationship if I own my own company?

>Requirement 2 - Your job must qualify as a specialty occupation by meeting one of the following criteria:

>A bachelor’s degree or higher degree or its equivalent is normally the minimum requirement for the particular position;
The degree requirement is common for this position in the industry, or the job is so complex or unique that it can only be performed by someone with at least a bachelor's degree in a field related to the position;
The employer normally requires a degree or its equivalent for the position; or
The nature of the specific duties is so specialized and complex that the knowledge required to perform the duties is usually associated with the attainment of a bachelor's or higher degree.

These are the people we want in our country.

Not terrorists and asshole free loaders.

We want workers and smart people.

Read up on it.

https://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa-guide/h-1b-specialty-occupation/understanding-h-1b-requirements
9:34 am — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Repent & Believe :
H1B is a scam. I have a friend wrapped up in it and it is not beneficial to his co-workers or him.

They are threatened with being replaced with cheaper labor if they want more money.

If my buddy gets cocky and tries to make better career moves - bye bye!

That is the problem in the simplest terms. There is a lot more wrong with the H1B system.

Don't get triggered when I recommend this next author. I didn't vote for Trump, don't trust him, and haven't voted Republican in a looooooong time, so don't write this recommendation off, because of what the media has fed you.

Get Ann Coulter's book "Adios America" - I recommend it on tape, as her humor comes off much clearer when listened to. Read the whole thing, but if you don't have time, go to the chapter on the H1B program.

Almost half of the printed book is references to research she did for the book, so it looks thicker than it is. She acts a certain way on TV to get attention - forget that version of her. Don't get caught up arguing with her book, but try to challenge the research she references. That data is hard to get around, because it almost always comes from liberal sources.
12:09 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Repent & Believe :
Also, if you don't think there is rampant abuse in the H1B system, go to this MacRumors thread and read the comments.

You'll notice a theme. People who are crying about the way the world should be and those who have watched what the H1B actually did.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-ability-to-hire-foreign-workers-may-be-impacted-by-trump-overhaul-of-work-visa-programs.2030137/
12:21 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Flying Fuck!:
People who don't have a problem with what Trump is doing are the same cock-gargling fuck faces that don't understand why a Charles Manson tattoo on their arm and Confederate Flag on their neck might be the reason they can't get a fucking job.
2:37 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous:
H1-B is a scam. You can pay them a lot less than Americans and they can't switch jobs as easily. They're at risk for being sent back, so they're not going to organize or make waves about anything.

What they typically want is a green card - and you can drag that process for them out, so they can't switch jobs at all.

It's no wonder big companies like hiring them.

Oh, you have to "post" the job for the American they're replacing for a few months, but that's just a formality.
4:21 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Patrick Henry, the 2nd:
> The rest is flawed, black people are passed over for job applications based on their name. Black people are at systematic disadvantage in many cases.

No they aren't.
4:44 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Dicknose:
Help, can't get this dick out of my nose.
5:17 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Getting Along:
Can't we go back to making fun of Gruber, here? That's the one thing that brings the left and the right together.
6:40 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Swing when you're winning:
So, which one of those countries is on the "state sponsors of terrorism" list?

Which one doesn't have a functioning government?

The USSR was a leftist paradise that everyone wanted to leave.

India is, well, India. People love it there.

This whole thing is the press misrepresenting what the order actually does. It's actually an object less as to how fucked up the press can be and that there's no real recourse for bad reporting.
6:48 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous:
> No they aren't.

i take it you've never been to the south.

7:46 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
anonymous:
Next 8 years are gonna be so much fun as these leftshits keep on losing their minds.

![https://i.imgur.com/jgXRU3s.png](https://i.imgur.com/jgXRU3s.png)
7:48 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
knowitall:
White people use immigration for an excuse for being shit at things.

Despite running the whole world, having access to the best education systems, the most amount of wealth accumalated over centuries, built on colonising and enslaving others, too many of you are shit at things! It's hilarious.

With all the advantages in built to have great lives you have a gang of white dudes squabbling over fucking factory jobs! White people in middle america are pissed off because there are no low brain power jobs left despite having all the advantages. And now that Asians and whatever are using their brains despite the whole system stacked against them and actually performing, white people are scared! boo hoo..

And the whole idea that black people bring it on themselves.. seriously? Black people are the only people on earth that have been stolen, mentally destroyed, mutilated, and had second class citizen ship for centuries (I think it was the mid 60's where black people were actually equal to white people in US law). And then you wonder why things are fucked up?

Your own damn president actually wouldnt allow black people in his properties!

Obviously when I say "white" I dont mean indiviudals. No "individual" is particualrly responsbile for anything on earth. And everyone is equal and worthy of respect and love etc.. I have no beef (some of my best friends are white people .. to use a well worn cliche).

But seriously, collectively, institutionally, white people have fucked up a lot things. You literally created the circumstances that everyone has to live in. It's like your own version of the Sims! Collectively, take some responsibility instead of pretending its got nothing to with you (collectively).
7:53 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
elbowroom:
@Patrick Henry, the 2nd

>> The rest is flawed, black people are passed over for job applications based on their name. Black people are at systematic disadvantage in many cases.

> No they aren't.

It seems they are. It's been researched over the years non-white sounding names get less call backs even on the same resume.

"[Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination](http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873)"
> The results show significant discrimination against African-American names: White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. We also find that race affects the benefits of a better resume. For White names, a higher quality resume elicits 30 percent more callbacks whereas for African Americans, it elicits a far smaller increase. Applicants living in better neighborhoods receive more callbacks but, interestingly, this effect does not differ by race. The amount of discrimination is uniform across occupations and industries.

[Study specifically about Black job searchers in the USA](http://moya.bus.miami.edu/~lgiuliano/Hires.pdf)
> Using personnel data from a large U.S. retail firm, we examine whether the race or ethnicity of the hiring manager affects the racial composition of new hires. Estimating models with store fixed effects, we find significant effects of manager race and ethnicity. First, all non- black managers—i.e., whites, Hispanics, and Asians—hire more whites and fewer blacks than do black managers. The differences between non-black and black managers are especially large in the South. Second, in locations with large Hispanic populations, Hispanic managers hire more Hispanics and fewer whites than white managers.

[Another study from Britain on ethnic names](https://www.theguardian.com/money/2009/oct/18/racism-discrimination-employment-undercover)

> Researchers sent nearly 3,000 job applications under false identities in an attempt to discover if employers were discriminating against jobseekers with foreign names. Using names recognisably from three different communities – Nazia Mahmood, Mariam Namagembe and Alison Taylor – false identities were created with similar experience and qualifications. Every false applicant had British education and work histories.

> They found that an applicant who appeared to be white would send nine applications before receiving a positive response of either an invitation to an interview or an encouraging telephone call. Minority candidates with the same qualifications and experience had to send 16 applications before receiving a similar response.

[One from Canada] (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/careers/how-an-ethnic-sounding-name-may-affect-the-job-hunt/article555082/)

> about 40 per cent more likely to choose to interview a job applicant with an English-sounding name than someone with an ethnic name, even if both candidates have identical education, skills and work histories.

[Another one from Canada about Asian names](https://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2017/01/25/better-education-doesnt-help-asian-job-candidates-beat-out-anglos-study.html)

> Compared to applicants with Anglo names, Asian-named applicants with all-Canadian qualifications had 20.1 per cent fewer calls from organizations with 500 or more employees, and 39.4 per cent and 37.1 per cent fewer calls, respectively, from medium-sized and small employers.

8:08 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
ass:
@Getting Along, no shit. Let's get back to bashing Grubs.

Hey Grubs it's 4:00 in the fucking afternoon, are you awake yet?? You have to get your one or two copy/paste posts up yet!
8:50 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Dicknose:
@Repent & Believe

Thanks. I will check it out. Even though I can't stand her, I am willing to give it a shot. I listen to the other side all the time. It's how I make sure I don't get stuck in a rut of confirmation bias.

@elbowroom

Fantastic post. Thank you. I have some reading to do. That has not been my experience but apparently there is some research out there.
10:28 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Dicknose:
Also thanks to you guys for the information on H1B visas.

Good stuff in this thread.
10:30 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
To Be Fair:
@Dicknose:

>TBF, can you diagram your post so we're all clear on which part is the argument and which part is the insult?

That one was 100% insult.
11:58 pm — Tuesday, 31 January 2017
Not Anonymous:
YOUR post. Add reading comprehension to your list right under rhetoric.
1:48 am — Wednesday, 1 February 2017
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