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To Be Fair:
>It’s just doing the bidding of major corporations.

This is one area Gruber has first-hand experience in.
1:38 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Not Anonymous:
1. It's not the role of government to provided discounted or free high-speed internet to low-income people.

2. It's not the role of government to determine market prices.

3. It is not the role of government to determine hardware requirements offered by private companies.

4. If you simply let free markets operate as they should, there would be adequate competition to ensure that none of these would be problems. But instead we get cronyism and regulation
2:31 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
anonymous:
"It's not the role of government to provided discounted or free high-speed internet to low-income people."

It's actually the peoples role to make sure that their governments don't allow one company to have all of the control and instead have real competition to "determine market prices."

It's not a free market if there's only one option. That is the problem.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think low income people are owed anything. But at least give them more than one option of what they can't afford.
4:23 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
anonymous:
Special choices that exist for poor people only are un-American.
4:30 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Not Anonymous:
@anon – We agree. The state ought to ensure that markets are functioning.

The best way to do this is to not get involved. Monopolies are self-defeating.

It's also worth noting that we do not have material rights. I do not have a right to broadband or a cell phone.
5:55 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
anonymous:
@Not Anonymous

"It's also worth noting that we do not have material rights. I do not have a right to broadband or a cell phone."

Abso-fucking-lutely.

All people should be treated equally in regard to basic rights. You can't just walk up to someone and hit them. Or detain them or search them for no reason.

But that doesn't mean you get a free cell phone and broadband.
6:42 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Sweet Jesus:
So, you guys are against any efforts to make parts of the market a little more fair? Wake up, the entire market is rigged to favour big corporations – and you want to give them even more leverage.

You should have voted for the Sandman – have fun with Trump's wild west politics instead!
7:07 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Not Anonymous:
The entire market IS rigged to favor big corporations.

And who does the rigging? GOVERNMENT.

Big corporations can't rig anything on their own.

And yet your solution is to give the market-rigging government even more power and expect a different outcome!
7:17 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
jimothy:
Government is needed to fix the mistakes government created. Thus, government ensures its continued existence and expansion.

![hakuna matata](http://showandtellonline.s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/16093907/circle-of-life.jpg "The Circle of Life")
8:32 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
jimothy:
Oops, that image was way bigger than I thought it would be. There ought to be a regulation about image size.
8:33 am — Thursday, 9 February 2017
anonymous:
@Not Anonymous

"And who does the rigging? GOVERNMENT.

Big corporations can't rig anything on their own."

The problem is that they absolutely can and do. The big corporations have bought out the government and absolutely rig the system in their favor. The money they spend on lobbying alone is eye-watering.

@jimothy

Holy shitballs Batman.
2:01 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Patrick Henry, the 2nd:
>It's not a free market if there's only one option. That is the problem.

And do you know why there is only one option? Government interference. So maybe the solution isn't more government interference, but less.

>So, you guys are against any efforts to make parts of the market a little more fair? Wake up, the entire market is rigged to favour big corporations – and you want to give them even more leverage.

No, the we are not. We are for removing ALL leverage from companies. They can't lobby if the government can't regulate. The free market is a lot more fair than the government.

> The problem is that they absolutely can and do. The big corporations have bought out the government and absolutely rig the system in their favor. The money they spend on lobbying alone is eye-watering.

And that's because government has the power over them. Remove that, and they can't.

The problem isn't lobbying, its than any company can persuade government to do their bidding. There won't be any lobbying if they government can't regulate them. Then they will have to deal with the market, and convince people. Unlike government where we get told what we need.
3:39 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Not Anonymous:
@ anonymous

"The problem is that they absolutely can and do. The big corporations have bought out the government and absolutely rig the system in their favor. The money they spend on lobbying alone is eye-watering."

If they are buying out the government, they are absolutely not rigging the system on their own.

What makes you think giving the government even more power will end with anything but big corporations corruptly using that in their favor, too?
4:32 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
anonymous:
seven years ago, keith olbermann called it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZKETizybw

government is now bought and paid for - look at betsy devos. her family paid the GOP $200M, and now she's secretary of education. her plan is to funnel public money to for-profit schools with no oversight or accountability, because the government shouldn't be interfering with private businesses, right?

the result is that the next generation will be even dumber than the current one, and the GOP will continue to fleece them. welcome to trump's america.
5:27 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
jimothy:
> her plan is to funnel public money to for-profit schools with no oversight or accountability…

Parents provide the oversight. If the school sucks, and they have a choice of another school, they send their children to another school. That provides incentive to provide a better education. All because those awful, greedy, for profit educators want your money!

Unlike Oliver Stone, I mean it when I say, greed works.
6:10 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Sweet Jesus:
Wow, I actually sense some common ground in these comments! If we get over the right-left bickering we might actually achieve some change for the better. Well, what we actually need is change in the size of a New Deal 2.0 or a seizment of congress by armed citizens...
6:57 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
Not Anonymous:
"What we need is a change in the size of a New Deal 2.0..."

There goes that common ground.
8:13 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
John Rodham Gruber:
>Parents provide the oversight. If the school sucks, and they have a choice of another school, they send their children to another school. That provides incentive to provide a better education. All because those awful, greedy, for profit educators want your money!

I am a staunch free market man, but the way this charter school stuff is being done simply does not work. Probably because the schools are not surviving on their own merits or by parental oversight, but because government funding is flowing to them.

That's not free-market capitalism. It's just another form of crony capitalism and is prone to extreme corruption.
11:29 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
anonymous:
@Not Anonymous

"What makes you think giving the government even more power will end with anything but big corporations corruptly using that in their favor, too?"

I 100% do not want to give the government more power. We agree, I was merely pointing out that corporations buy the government to advantage themselves.
11:49 pm — Thursday, 9 February 2017
John Rodham Gruber:
>I was merely pointing out that corporations buy the government to advantage themselves.

Something they can only do because government has been afforded powers they shouldn't have.
11:31 am — Saturday, 11 February 2017
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