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anonymous:
Deep insight, Gruber. Way to contribute.
8:14 pm — Wednesday, 19 April 2017
ass:
That sounds like any PC you can buy today.
8:34 pm — Wednesday, 19 April 2017
daretofireballme:
What is the dream MacPro for drunk bloggers? I need to know.
9:39 pm — Wednesday, 19 April 2017
FFS:
JFC, drunk bloggers don't need a MacPro - all they need to "create" is a late model iPad. All the job requires is the ability to download pr0n and type out 3-5 words of "shit cock commentary." And as a bonus the glass is easy wipe down after jizzing all over it.
9:58 pm — Wednesday, 19 April 2017
Heinz Gruber:
>This sounds about right to me.

Consider Gruber isn't a "software developer," how can he proclaim this to "sound right"?
11:11 pm — Wednesday, 19 April 2017
elbowroom:
@ass

That's the gist of the problem. Apple doesn't want to make a regular cheap desktop PC tower but that's the thing wanted by most.

Most of them wouldn't even care much about Xeons or ECC RAM, or any other differentiated features, they just want the highest level of processing power for the lowest amount of money with the official support for macOS.

In other words just releasing a refreshed cheaper cheese grater would be perfect for the crowd and probably more profitable than other options as well. But will Apple do such thing? I doubt it.
11:16 pm — Wednesday, 19 April 2017
Gruber the Booger:
@ass

>That sounds like any PC you can buy today.

Yup. But people want to run MacOS.

@elbowroom

>Apple doesn't want to make a regular cheap desktop PC tower but that's the thing wanted by most.

This is why Apple should toss a little cash around and make a great looking, well designed case where components are interchangeable.

A stretched comparison would be Alienware or that kind of company. Plenty of options for very small sector of the market.

>just releasing a refreshed cheaper cheese grater would be perfect for the crowd and probably more profitable than other options as well

It will make money. Well said. I can't believe Apple takes a loss on much. It's more like whatever makes the least gets cut.

>But will Apple do such thing? I doubt it.

Most importantly it keeps the noisiest customers satisfied. We'll see.
11:46 pm — Wednesday, 19 April 2017
ohm:
The article's points are pretty target. I'm one of the few that likes the trash can, but agrees that internal upgrade stop paths are a bugger.
12:29 am — Thursday, 20 April 2017
FFS:
You know what's funny? In the last 10 years Dell essentially makes something as good as those G4 macs everyone shits themselves over. Sure, a Dell does not "look cool." It only performs incredibly well, comes apart and goes back together as well as anything Apple ever made, and MOST IMPORTANT they update it all the time. ALL THE TIME. They even cost real money! Anyway all Apple can do at this point is make it look cooler. Inside, a T7910 is actually very nice and serviceable - you can't even cut your hand on sharp metal anymore.
12:53 am — Thursday, 20 April 2017
chas_m:
FFS is right, but there are two little things in the way:

1. A Dell doesn't run macOS, which many consider a superior (in some ways, vastly superior) operating system.

2. And related to point 1, design. Not just the look of the box (which in some cases is in a close, so who cares), but the *overall design*. Maybe those of us who appreciate design are latte-sipping, museum-donating snobs (I certainly don't feel like one though), but some of us like things that are well-designed enough that it is an important part of the functionality.

If points 1 *and* 2 are important to a person, they don't want a PC even at twice the speed and half the price. They want an Apple. And they want to push Apple to always be better in that regard.
5:41 am — Thursday, 20 April 2017
elbowroom:
@chas_m

I agree. Dell Precisions are decent enough but the old Mac Pro was just whole another level in terms of perceived build quality. I looked at various metal PC cases usually recommended as a Mac Pro alternative but none of them really compares to the cheese grater.

Apple presumably has solved all the manufacturing problems of the old Mac Pro design and is better than ever at working with aluminum. It just makes sense to renew the old design if the old crowd wants it back. However that's not how Apple usually does things.
1:57 pm — Thursday, 20 April 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
I think the cheese grater will last me for another few years. 32GB RAM, 30TB, 2 video cards, USB3, and an AC/BT card: what more do I need?

10:14 pm — Thursday, 20 April 2017
Gruber the Booger:
Seems like most of us agree that a new Cheese Grater would be welcome.
1:44 am — Friday, 21 April 2017
Q*Bert:
I'm on the "new cheese grater" bandwagon, but more modern: faster (16+ cores option), smaller, lighter, quieter, more ports. I agree with the author that machines of this class shouldn't share busses for ports or have weird "this port is faster than this one even though they look exactly the same" types of issues. Make it out of copper or something if it has to be different.

I used my original dual 2.0 GHz G5 cheese grater for many years before retiring it and never had a single problem with it.
6:28 am — Friday, 21 April 2017
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