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anonymous:
Is Obamacare the best way to drive down rates of medical-related personal bankruptcy?
10:18 pm — Thursday, 4 May 2017
anonymous:
NO BORDERS AND FREE MEDICAL CARE FOR ALL. EVERYTHING ELSE IS RACIST.
10:54 pm — Thursday, 4 May 2017
To Be Fair:
>NO BORDERS AND FREE MEDICAL CARE FOR ALL. EVERYTHING ELSE IS RACIST.

You don't seem to understand anything that's happening in reality.
1:15 am — Friday, 5 May 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
Correlation does not imply causation.


As a data point, the number of pirate attacks has dropped during that time as well. Obamacare: is there anything it can't do?
3:20 am — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
BORDERS ARE RACIST
MEDICAL INSURANCE IS RACIST
GENDER IS RACIST
3:39 am — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
To Be Fair is racist.
4:06 am — Friday, 5 May 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
The number of Democrats in government has dropped during that time as well.

Obamacare: because we care about you.
4:18 am — Friday, 5 May 2017
Q*Bert:
Well, "Jim Molleur, a Maine-based bankruptcy attorney" is now licking his chops at the prospect of his business booming once again under the scratched-in-crayon-by-a-5-year-old Republican health care pan. Way to create those jobs, Trump!
5:50 am — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
The Republican health care plan – which I don't support – returns us to where we were pre-Obamacare.

Not quite a fire and brimstone hell on earth.

Get the state out of healthcare entirely – including employer tax breaks for providing coverage. Create a true market.
7:17 am — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
> As a data point, the number of pirate attacks has dropped during that time as well. Obamacare: is there anything it can't do?


Oh for fuck's sake.
12:31 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
Comments on Daring Fireball have increased during the span of time the ACA was in effect. Fucking Obama!
1:56 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
Sebby:
> Not quite a fire and brimstone hell on earth.

No, just preventable deaths, inefficient healthcare provision, and bonuses for those more worthy.

You Merkins are truly fucked up. Even under the ACA your healthcare was, at best, a two-tier provision. Now it's just gone. Way to fucking roll.
2:47 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
knowitall:
"Create a true market"

out of people's need to not die?

The richest country on earth has just tripled its military budget but would rather people who cant afford care die of treatable illnesses.

Sometimes you just look out the window and stare.. not believing what you just heard..

4:16 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
The plastic surgery market is way more affordable -- because they don't take insurance. Look it up.
5:11 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
http://healthblog.ncpa.org/why-cant-the-market-for-medical-care-work-like-cosmetic-surgery/#sthash.dpCPaVqF.dpbs
5:12 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
jimothy:
Here's **(some advice)[https://fee.org/articles/are-good-manners-troll-bait/]** that we might all do well to heed:

>Every child knows the basics of politeness. Talk nicely. Don't yell. Don't call names. Listen and respond to what people literally say. Don't personally insult people. Don't take generalizations personally. If someone's meaning is unclear, don't put words his mouth; ask him to clarify. And of course, don't escalate. If someone's impolite, the polite response is to end the conversation, not respond in kind.

If your instinct is to critique the source of this advice, then for you, you should probably read it twice.
5:37 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
jimothy:
Well I sure flubbed that link. Let's try again:

[some advice](https://fee.org/articles/are-good-manners-troll-bait/)
5:40 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
No! The richest country on earth has not just tripled it's military budget!

No! No one wants anyone to die from preventable illnesses.

The alternative to Obamacare isn't wanton unrelenting death.

Some people understand that markets are more efficient than public services and that role of the state is not to be care our caretaker.
5:45 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
Sebby:
> Some people understand that markets are more efficient than public services and that role of the state is not to be care our caretaker.

Depends on what you mean by "understand", but I'd suggest that Trump's presidency has a great deal to do with the fact that the people who "understand" have all turned out to be wrong, in some critically biased fashion or another. (The fact that Trump is entirely the wrong candidate to solve these problems is, of course, neither here nor there.) It also helps that other, more civilised nations have social healthcare that works (with differentiated services in the private sector, or even using a mandatory insurance scheme that would endeavour to guarantee competition).

So I believe the word you need is "believe".
7:21 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
Gruber the Booger:
TRIGGER WARNING!

>If someone's meaning is unclear, don't put words HIS mouth; ask HIM to clarify.

How dare you jimothy.

I need my safe space.
7:35 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
JK:
Just to remind you American buffoons, the richest nations in the world are:

1. Qatar
2. Luxembourg
3. Singapore
4. Kuwait
5. Brunei
6. UAE
7. Norway
8. Switzerland
9. USA

Source: [http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-richest-countries-in-the-world.html](http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-richest-countries-in-the-world.html)
8:01 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
anonymous:
"Trump's presidency has a great deal to do with the fact that the people who "understand" have all turned out to be wrong, in some critically biased fashion or another."

Yes.

This does not not mean that Trump is the best remedy. On healthcare, he has no ideology other than pragmatism and could easily see him backing single-payer.

Other 'more civilized' nations have social healthcare. They do not necessarily have social healthcare that works, and they are slowly bankrupting themselves.
8:40 pm — Friday, 5 May 2017
My Optional Name:
Typical. Despite the professional opinion of experts in the field, our resident Trumptards are quick to dismiss their opinions and make light of them, thinking their own armchair analyses gives them a more qualified opinion. You people are fucking pathetic.
4:11 am — Saturday, 6 May 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
@My optional name

Typical. Even science says "correlation is not causation." But of course, believe the science that you want, and ignore the science you don't.

That's Libtard hypocrisy for you.
4:58 am — Saturday, 6 May 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
Here's some light reading on the concept from an LAT hack:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-see-correlation-is-not-causation-20140512-column.html
5:00 am — Saturday, 6 May 2017
My Optional Name:
I'm fully aware that correlation doesn't mean causation. The issue is you armchair analysts think your unprofessional, unqualified opinions are on par with those of professional, qualified experts. Bunch of fucking douchebags, the lot of you.
11:53 am — Saturday, 6 May 2017
Gruber the Booger:
@JK

That is measuring by per capita.

Many of those countries have vast natural resources, high tech, banking industries, all with relatively low populations.

Add up the populations of that entire list and it's a mere fraction of the population of the USA.

Put it into perspective: San Jose with it's population of 1 million, is more populated than a few countries on that list.

If San Jose were it's own country it would rank third in the world by GDP per capita.

California has 39 million people, more than any country on that list. If California were its own country its GDP per capita would rank just under Norway at #7.

Lists like that are misleading and largely useless for their intended argument.
4:48 pm — Saturday, 6 May 2017
Gruber the Booger:
Whoops I made an error.

San Jose would rank 4th in GDP per capita if it were its own country, not 3rd.
4:53 pm — Saturday, 6 May 2017
daisy:
How about we accept that the reduction was in fact caused by the ACA, and start thinking about why the coming increase in bankruptcies is actually a good thing.

I'll start: Trump has six bankruptcies under his belt, and he's the Best President of the Greatest Country Ever. This country needs more men like Trump, ergo, more bankruptcies are good.
8:38 pm — Saturday, 6 May 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
@My optional name:

Qualified experts? Welcome to the new age! Everyone can be an expert, even you, who apparently thinks that they are qualified to judge who is an expert.
9:38 pm — Saturday, 6 May 2017
Make love, not Trumptards:
Here's the facts. Filings for bankruptcy dropped 50% from 2010 to 2016. Sure, it COULD have something to do with ObamaCare, but it could also simply be that more people are employed, people across the board are better off, and all this under the Obama administration. Either way you slice it and dice it, Obama is da man!
11:46 pm — Saturday, 6 May 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
Or, it could be that the number of highly leveraged people dropped after the financial crash, so there was essentially nobody left to file for bankruptcy.
5:16 am — Sunday, 7 May 2017
anonymous:
> Or, it could be that the number of highly leveraged people dropped after the financial crash, so there was essentially nobody left to file for bankruptcy.



You might want to think that hypothesis through a bit.
12:46 pm — Sunday, 7 May 2017
anonymous:
Obama is 'da man' only if medically-induced bankruptcies, regardless of the cost to the public purse, are your only metric of success.
10:35 pm — Sunday, 7 May 2017
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