Gruber the Booger:
Single payer is a fine system by me.

It does not need to be paid for by increasing taxes. Perhaps we could build a few less air craft carriers and missiles instead of raising taxes.

There is plenty of fat to trim in addition to military spending that would be better spent on maintaining a healthy population.

Some of our priorities are out of whack in the USA.
6:28 pm — Friday, 23 June 2017
The problem with the Senate bill is that it doesn't go far enough.

We need to get the state out of healthcare, period.
7:09 pm — Friday, 23 June 2017
Heinz Gruber:
Did Gruber ever link to any pieces that criticized ObamaCare?
7:40 pm — Friday, 23 June 2017
Not Anonymous:
Succinct, but certainly not thoughtful.

There's much to dislike about the Republican plan, but the same is true of Obamacare.

Both are tainted by their timidity in addressing the real problems of cost, access and quality.

Single-payer only really solves the issue of access.

Do we really want to transform the government into something like the medieval Catholic church, an institution that mediates all aspects of life?

If anything, healthcare is an argument for federalism, as Washington has failed repeatedly at finding solutions. Let our 50 laboratories of democracy have a crack at it.
7:41 pm — Friday, 23 June 2017
The problem with the system going forward is that, if your are poor and middle class, if your health takes a turn, you will likely become financially devistated due to reasons outside your control.

I don't think that's fair to most people.
9:13 pm — Friday, 23 June 2017
Make peace, not liberals:
Nobody even got to read Obamacare before the vote, so this is a step forward in transparency.
10:32 pm — Friday, 23 June 2017
Gruber the Booger:
American health care is totally broken.

Pills are cheaper for generics out of pocket versus paying insurance premiums. For me anyway.

Emergency room visits. Well those costs go away with a little bit of ignoring bills or hire a lawyer and make it disappear for pennies on the dollar.

Force me to spend $4000 a year on health care?

No thanks.

I pay $120 for a yearly physical.

Been to the emergency room and hired an attorney who made it all disappear for pennies on the dollar.

That is American health care in a nutshell.

Hopefully some day all people will be able to get care without the worry of paying a tax penalty for not having coverage or the ability to hire an attorney to make the bills go away.

Everyone should be able to walk in to a hospital or call an ambulance no questions asked.

I have no kids, but I pay taxes for the local schools. Glad to do it. I gladly pay taxes if they feed every kid breakfast and lunch every day of the year.

Keep them in school and not stealing my lawn mower.

Health care should be no different. But they don't need to raise taxes, just cut the number of bombs a few and we would be fine.
5:31 am — Saturday, 24 June 2017
I don't understand why health care is a commercial issue in the USA.

Life, health etc.. is the most important single thing in the world for every human being. Humanity has spent it's whole existence with health as the most important aspect of life, beyond money, power etc..

So why is the most successful nation of all time with the most money and the ability to do so, denying that very basic right to all it's citizens?

You should always spend more money on health than defence. What are you defending if your citizens are not healthy?

Providing health care for everyone from taxes should just be standard. It shouldn't even be a debate. How can it be not an issue to triple a defence budget but not to provide health care to everyone, regardless of income?

Universal healthcare for all regardless of income should be the pinnacle of civilisation. It is was marks us out as human beings. I dont see why this is an issue. America can afford it. So do it.
3:28 pm — Saturday, 24 June 2017
Heinz Gruber:
>Providing health care for everyone from taxes should just be standard. It shouldn't even be a debate.

There's plenty to debate, so yes, there should be a debate.
8:20 pm — Saturday, 24 June 2017
> Emergency room visits. Well those costs go away with a little bit of ignoring bills or hire a lawyer and make it disappear for pennies on the dollar.

Ah yes, plunge random poor to middle class people who catch an expensive illness into financial ruin and ruin their credit. Repossess and foreclose on all their property.

That sounds like a great and just system.
9:20 pm — Sunday, 25 June 2017
But pretending that healthcare has no cost is a great and just system?
1:29 am — Monday, 26 June 2017
health care shouldn't be a free-market thing any more than fire departments should be. anyone ever see scorsese's 'gangs of new york?'
3:31 pm — Monday, 26 June 2017
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