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Q*Bert:
> And I hope the iPhone Pro starts at $1500 or higher.

Fuck you, Gruber. Some of us still have families to feed on an average person's salary.

I hope the the price of scotch goes to 10X what it is now, think how much better it would be.
2:06 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
Heinz Gruber:
>I hope the the price of scotch goes to 10X what it is now, think how much better it would be.

I'd rather see the price of Gruber's "sponsorships" drop to 1/10th of what it is now.
2:59 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
Josh:
Facial recognition only is a regression no matter which way you slice it, unless it's able to somehow work in cases where the phone is held low and/or at a slant relative to your face. As it is now, I can use Touch ID to unlock a phone on a nearby flat surface without moving anything but my arm. Imagine also having to make sure your face is positioned properly prior to using Apple Pay, or for a quick action in the car.
3:16 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
My Optional Name:
Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. There is no fucking way they are ditching TouchID, for all the reasons already cited.

>>And I hope the iPhone Pro starts at $1500 or higher.

>Fuck you, Gruber. Some of us still have families to feed on an average person's salary.

No one would be making you buy this theoretical "pro" version. Just pretend it doesn't exist and buy the layman's version like you would have otherwise.
3:25 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
anonymous:
It truly is pathetic how Grubs will go out of his way to shit on Gurman.

Go mix another drink grubby.
5:29 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
Andy W:
If the iPhone Pro (dumb name) comes in at 1500 usd (jesus christ!) what happens to Gruber's beloved coke comparison? Especially if it has a load of capabilities the regular joe iphones dont.

I'm sure Apple PR are telling him to speculate about high prices so people arent as shocked when it comes in at 999usd.
5:33 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
@Andy W:
> what happens to Gruber's beloved coke comparison?

We’ll just have to compare it to the other coke.
5:46 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
ohm:
Remember when you could unlock your phone in the dark without inputting a passcode? Remember TouchID?
6:50 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
Dangling Felcherballs:
@josh

"Facial recognition only is a regression no matter which way you slice it..."

You're right. I have the Galaxy 8. The fingerprint sensor has moved to the back, which is irksome, and I just hate using the iris scanner. It works perfectly well, but I don't enjoy seeing my squinting, tired eyes 400.000 times a day, and lifting the phone up every time I want to use it is an ache in the balls. Perhaps Apple will have dreamed up a better system, though.

Meanwhile, Grub's descent into pathetic, playground Gurman ner-ner's is both hilarious and tragic. All he's doing is highlighting that the days of his breaking exclusives are loooonnnnggg gone. And that he's a drunk, bitter manchild.

8:11 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
Gruber the Booger:
A few thoughts:

<ul>
<li>I am so far out of the Apple rumor loop all I can do is guess and link.</li>

<li>I fucking hate Mark Gurman so much. If I stamp my feet some more maybe he will notice me one day. Please notice me senpai!</li>

<li>I know nothing other than what Apple PR pays me to say.</li>

<li>My prediction about what names Apple might use could be guessed by any 4 year old child. Also look at how rich I am.</li>
</ul>

John should stop thinking and do what he does best, drinking.

I wonder how much time it took him to work out this shit post.
10:16 am — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
elbowroom:
Kuo's wording is a bit odd in this report in how much he seems to be weakly guessing. I wonder he doesn't have much source with the suppliers involved for the initial production of the iPhone "Pro". I still don't know if Apple will release a phone without a touch ID even if it's on the backside.

Gruber is being much less hard on Gurman here than I expected. Gurman's track record since he moved to Bloomberg looks really weak compared to his reputation.

In case we all forgot, Gurman actually appeared on Gruber's podcast a couple of years ago. I wonder if that'll ever happen again.
3:58 pm — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
anonymous:
> >And I hope the iPhone Pro starts at $1500 or higher.
>
>Fuck you, Gruber. Some of us still have families to feed on an average person's salary.

Fuck you and your family. Just don't buy it. I'd like a Ferrari 308 GTS, but I don't whine about my family because I can't afford one.

Buy the cheaper phone and shut your mouth.
4:47 pm — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
anonymous:
Bitchslapping Gurman is Gruber's favorite thing. He just loves it when he sticks it to him.
5:24 pm — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
To Be Fair:
>Gurman is late again. Everything in his report was first reported by Kuo.

Yeah, because Gruber is always the first to report on things, and never reuses anyone else's content.
7:06 pm — Tuesday, 4 July 2017
elbowroom:
@To Be Fair

To be fair to Gruber, his speciality is commenting on Apple and the related scenes including journalism so reusing others' content is his thing, usually involving a link and a snarky line or two. Even his long pieces are often criticizing someone else's writing. So he's doing exactly what he's known to do with Daringfireball.

Gurman on the other hand rose to fame by getting scoops and his job is to report more leaks. He just hasn't been doing it at all since his move to the new job. He certainly had someone pretty high up in the chain within Apple and I'll be curious to hear what happened to the source.

I remember Jonathan Geller of BGR used to be known for the same thing and especially with Blackberry with a high-placed source in the company. Then it just stopped one day and things just weren't the same, even though Geller did manage to sell his site and seems to be doing fine running it.
12:13 am — Wednesday, 5 July 2017
To Be Fair:
@elbowroom:

I'm aware of that. But why can't Gurman report in the Gruber style? Nobody said he had to be first and completely original, especially if he's working in a new gig.

If Gruber can be lazy, so can Gurman.
1:42 am — Wednesday, 5 July 2017
Gruber the Booger:
I'm with To Be Fair on this.

But I don't think it's as simple as Gurman being lazy.

Let's think about this logically.

Everyone needs to sleep -except Ben Thompson. That guy looks like he never sleeps.

Nobody knows for certain who Kuo is. Or where Kuo is located.

A logical guess is that Kuo is located in Taiwan. Ben Thompson is also in Taiwan.

Taiwan is 12 hours ahead of New York. 15 hours ahead of San Francisco.

I'm not sure where Gurman's actual location is, but I bet he's somewhere in the United States.

So I would cut Gurman a bit of slack, and cut the shit with the "hours later" snark.

Especially coming from Gruber who is mostly days or weeks late posting other peoples work. It makes Gruber look childish and shitty.

Why Gruber feels the need to constantly rail against Gurman is beyond me.

Now that being said, what if Ben Thompson and Ming Chi Kuo are the same person?
11:36 am — Wednesday, 5 July 2017
elbowroom:
@To Be Fair

> I'm aware of that. But why can't Gurman report in the Gruber style? Nobody said he had to be first and completely original, especially if he's working in a new gig.

Obviously Gurman can do his gig in anyway he wants with approval of his employer but once he loses leaked information from his reporting, Gurman has very little to offer as a writer. Gruber at least has his snarky tone and an uncanny ability to justify Apple's actions from the company's point of view. Gurman's writing is just bland without any new information or an interesting point of view, even compared to other Apple writers which aren't great to begin with. Maybe he'll get new sources inside Apple and make a comeback but he must be still getting paid decent money at Bloomberg so good for him.

At this point Gurman is like a professional wrestler with mediocre skills and looks who rose to fame by having a popular gimmick character but now forced to perform without being in the character.

@Gruber the Booger

This isn't the first time Gruber pointed out Gurman isn't offering any new information and I think he's correct. It seems Gurman has lost his sources within Apple.

> Why Gruber feels the need to constantly rail against Gurman is beyond me.

I guess you haven't been reading Gruber for that long? It's one of his schticks and he's done far worse railing against others, such as Dan Lyons and Paul Thurrott.
2:43 pm — Wednesday, 5 July 2017
Gruber the Booger:
@elbowroom

The length of time I have been here or reading DF doesn't matter.

What a wonderful and great "shtick" to hang your career on. Really something to be proud of.

The fact that he's done far worse to others only reinforces my point that he is a petty childish asshole.

My statement of - why he feels the need to act that way toward Gurman (or anyone else) is beyond me - still stands.
10:19 pm — Wednesday, 5 July 2017
elbowroom:
@Gruber the Booger

Absolutely and that's the great, or terrible, thing about the internet blogging business. He's somehow making living out of being what he wants to be online.

I don't mean any personal offence by inferring your newness here. I was just caught surprised by your comment since Gruber has done it so persistently over the years that it's just part of Daringfireball to me.
1:38 am — Thursday, 6 July 2017
anon:
Gruber has no clue about anything, and he is jealous of Gurman so he digs him for no reason.

I come here for the comments.
3:25 pm — Thursday, 6 July 2017
Gruber the Booger:
@elbowroom

>I don't mean any personal offence by inferring your newness here.

No offense taken or given. But thanks.

>I was just caught surprised by your comment since Gruber has done it so persistently over the years that it's just part of Daringfireball to me.

That is fair and understandable.

Apologies that I came across a bit harsh.
8:33 pm — Thursday, 6 July 2017
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