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anonymous:
The last great Himalayan kingdom... so kingdoms are good and not patriarchal tools of oppression?

The people of Bhutan do not need your white savior tourism dollars.

Fuck off.
11:36 pm — Saturday, 2 September 2017
Gruber the Booger:
>I would love to hear from DF readers who take this tour.

Especially the gay ones, considering that:

>Homosexual acts are illegal in Bhutan

"Land of the Thunder Dragon" my ass.
3:23 am — Sunday, 3 September 2017
anonymous:
Thunder Dragon is her drag name, sweetie.
3:26 am — Sunday, 3 September 2017
Frankly speaking:
Fucking white privilege. It only suits liberal white guys when someone else's money is involved.

12:45 am — Monday, 4 September 2017
Grubweiner:
I wonder if any of the visitors will make it back alive.
10:56 am — Monday, 4 September 2017
JK:
Oh you Americans! So afraid of going to other countries except when in the army. Most probably Bhutan is way more safer than the US.
5:44 pm — Monday, 4 September 2017
Gruber F. Johnson:
>Most probably Bhutan is way more safer than the US

Unless you're gay. But who cares about them, right?
5:53 pm — Monday, 4 September 2017
anonymous:
The horror...the horror...
11:10 pm — Monday, 4 September 2017
Lightning Tiger, Thunder Dragon:
There's nothing more hidden and mysterious than a guy's ass in Bhutan.
12:23 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
Gruber the Booger:
JK

>Oh you Americans! So afraid of going to other countries except when in the army. Most probably Bhutan is way more safer than the US.

You have no idea what you are talking about and could not be more wrong.

The murder rate in Bhutan is very close to the same as the USA and the world average.

As far as traveling abroad, a quick search shows that as of 2014 American tourists spent $115 Billion. Second to China at $165 Billion which has over a Billion more people than the USA.

Another bit of information that might interest you: The United States rakes in over $220 Billion from tourists. Over three times the amount of second place France at $67 Billion.

So cut the shit that Bhutan is safer and Americans are too scared to travel. The numbers say otherwise.
1:39 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
Patrick Henry, the 2nd:
> Bhutan is the world’s first carbon negative country

Who gives a shit? Carbon positive or negative is a totally worthless piece of information.
2:44 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
Skeptic:
"The murder rate in Bhutan is very close to the same as the USA and the world average."

The USA murder rate is nowhere near the world's average. Sources, please.
4:03 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
My Optional Name:
>"The murder rate in Bhutan is very close to the same as the USA and the world average."

>The USA murder rate is nowhere near the world's average. Sources, please.

According to Wikipedia (feel free to peruse their sources for verification):

The global homicide rate was 6.2 per 100,000 in 2012.

For the USA: 4.88 per 100,000.

For Bhutan: 2.75 per 100,000.

Unless these numbers have changed significantly since 2012, Bhutan is nearly twice as safe to be in vs the USA. If homos comprise a disproportionate percentage of that rate in Bhutan, then heteros should be damned-near invincible there.
4:48 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
Gruber the Booger:
Skeptic

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)

>UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime) reported a global average intentional homicide rate of 6.2 per 100,000 population for 2012 (in their report titled "Global Study on Homicide 2013").UNODC calculated a rate of 6.9 in 2010.

Both global rates of 6.2 and 6.9 per 100,000 are higher than

>United States 4.88

>Bhutan 2.75

You are right, the USA is no where near the global rate. It's lower.

One could say Bhutan is less than half that of the global rate and be correct.

But these numbers for the USA and Bhutan are small and statistically insignificant in the big picture.

Let's hypothetically say 1 person per 100,000 dies from X in country A. And 3 people per 100,000 die from X in country B.

You could say that the rate of X is three times greater in country A than country B.

While technically accurate it is a scare tactic thing to say because the actual numbers of deaths are so small and so far out in the tail in both country A and B.

Now look at El Salvador. Over 100 per 100,000. Those odds are far more significant than 2.75 or 4.88 per 100,000 and well over the global average. That is significant and perhaps something worth looking at.
5:20 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
anon:
80% of gun homicides in the US are gang related. Don't join a gang, and you'll be quite safe.
6:07 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
Gruber the Booger:
About 50% of homicides in the US are committed by about 8% of the population.

It's black men killing black men. Don't be a black man and you'll be quite safe.

Of course someone will read that and instead of understanding the numbers they will spew that I am a racist alt-right Nazi motherfucker.
8:15 am — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
Grubweiner:
If 8% of the US population are killers, you have serious issues....
2:41 pm — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
Grubweiner:
Talking of which, I was trying to figure out if Gruber is a psychopath. He exhibits some of the traits:

* Lack of empathy
* Egotism
* Superficial charm
* Lack of remorse
* Selfishness
* Unethical behaviour
* Prone to boredom
2:45 pm — Tuesday, 5 September 2017
My Optional Name:
>If 8% of the US population are killers, you have serious issues....

We had white fucking nationalists who self-identify as nazis marching in the streets in the name of racism. So yes, we do have serious issues.
3:43 am — Wednesday, 6 September 2017
Gruber the Booger:
>If 8% of the US population are killers, you have serious issues....

You win facepalm of the thread.

About 50% of homicides are committed by black males. A vast majority of which are black males killing other black males.

Black males make up 8% of the population.

That does not mean all black males are killers. It means that roughly 50% of homicides can be accounted for by black males, who account for about 8% of the population. This is not hard to understand.

>We had white fucking nationalists who self-identify as nazis marching in the streets in the name of racism. So yes, we do have serious issues.

Yeah it's an issue, but how serious is it? As a society we need to figure out what is the priority here and not blow minor things way out of proportion simply because it makes better TV or headlines.

There are fewer Nazi motherfuckers who self identify as such than attend any single successful AAA baseball game on an average game day. Meaning less than 10,000.

Think about that.

What is actually important?

>Drug overdose is the leading cause of accidental death in the US, with 52,404 lethal drug overdoses in 2015. Opioid addiction is driving this epidemic, with 20,101 overdose deaths related to prescription pain relievers, and 12,990 overdose deaths related to heroin in
2015

Let's look at those numbers again:

>20,101 overdose deaths related to prescription pain relievers

Who is raking the pharmaceutical industry and doctors over the coals for this? There are far, far fewer news stories, demonstrations, Antifa riots, you name it about this than there are about white cops shooting black people or Nazi motherfuckers. Even though the numbers of deaths are astronomically higher from just opioids alone.

More than half of gun deaths are suicide. No doubt many people OD on drugs to achieve the same result.

Seems like that is clearly a much more important problem than the bug splat on my windshield that are Nazi motherfuckers.

Or the nearly 1000 people that cops kill in a year of every race combined.
2:18 pm — Wednesday, 6 September 2017
catfood:
*Yeah it's an issue, but how serious is it?*

those fucksticks are insignificant in and of themselves, but the reaction to them is a barometer of where we are as a nation on that stuff. so i think it is important.

*Who is raking the pharmaceutical industry and doctors over the coals for this?*

a growing list of state attorneys general. it’ll be interesting to see where that goes.
8:11 pm — Wednesday, 6 September 2017
Gruber the Booger:
>those fucksticks are insignificant in and of themselves, but the reaction to them is a barometer of where we are as a nation on that stuff. so i think it is important.

I like you catfood, I am going to shift gears here. I apologize in advance.

People who live in western societies have roundly rejected those Nazi fucksticks. That is why they are so few.

Now who has the balls to stand up for average western beliefs over Sharia law? People who believe in Sharia law are millions, not thousands.

To me Sharia law looks quite similar to Nazi motherfuckstick behavior.

They both don't allow for gays, both don't allow for Jews. Both don't allow for 'others'. Period. To leave is punishable by death - that is worse than Scientology!

Yet if someone speaks ill of Sharia they are painted as an intolerant Nazi fuckstick. The Sharia believer is equally intolerant as the tiki torch toting Nazi.

Meanwhile we have Antifa pussies who wear black bandannas and smash and smash and stifle free speech in the most fascist ways possible.

Not one of those Antifa fucksticks would ever smash, riot or stifle speech in the name of being Anti-Sharia. It's all about the teeny weeny Nazi population.

>a growing list of state attorneys general. it’ll be interesting to see where that goes.

What I would also like is a little bit more coverage in the media. But we know who pays the bills.

Watch 30 minutes of news and you will wonder why you haven't talked to your doctor about some issue you didn't know you don't have.

Side effects include internal bleeding, anal leakage, or death. But you can ride a bike or play tennis or throw that football through a tire swing like the people in the commercial.

I love it when the side effects take up more than 50% of the commercial.
2:22 pm — Thursday, 7 September 2017
catfood:
*To me Sharia law looks quite similar to Nazi motherfuckstick behavior.*

i’ve always thought sharia was remarkably compatible with fundamentalist christian behavior. they just can’t agree on the source material, is all.

*Yet if someone speaks ill of Sharia they are painted as an intolerant Nazi fuckstick.*

some of that’s kneejerk left-wing rhetoric, sure. some of it’s entirely warranted.

where i live, for example, we have municipal legislatures spouting resolutions banning the adoption of sharia law. never mind that exactly nobody is proposing the adoption of sharia law, and it’d be virtually impossible to replace the city or county charter with anything else anyway. it’s like passing a resolution barring baby-eating space warlocks from holding public office.

those things are straight-up anti-muslim bullshit, and they should be called on it. now a legitimate discussion of things that aren’t imaginary, that’s a different ball of wax. i’m not a fan of the automatic accusations of racism.

*What I would also like is a little bit more coverage in the media.*

i’m hearing stuff about it every day. most of my media diet consists of streaming kcrw world news, though.
4:38 pm — Thursday, 7 September 2017
Gruber the Booger:
>most of my media diet consists of streaming kcrw world news, though.

Thanks catfood. A lot of that I get on my local NPR stations but looks like there is some stuff worth checking out from that station.

Particularly the music.

>i’ve always thought sharia was remarkably compatible with fundamentalist christian behavior.

Yep. I can't stand them either. Any fundamentalist hard core religion or ideals are bad news for me.

Including hard core anti-religion atheist types. Atheism taken too far is a religion.

Hell, some people have such a hard-on for Apple it's like a religion to them. At least it's a peaceful bunch though as they wait in line for days and days for a new gizmo.

>where i live, for example, we have municipal legislatures spouting resolutions banning the adoption of sharia law. never mind that exactly nobody is proposing the adoption of sharia law, and it’d be virtually impossible to replace the city or county charter with anything else anyway.

Where I live there is a very strong and growing population of people who would vote for Sharia over local, state, and federal law given the chance.

It all depends on where we live I suppose.

Anyway thanks again for the civil discussion and the KCRW tip. I've been streaming it with some tunes. Good stuff.
2:38 am — Friday, 8 September 2017
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