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Patrick Henry, the 2nd:
That's fucking dumb
9:45 pm — Monday, 23 October 2017
anonymous:
It looks like Apple was smart for investing in Didi.
10:07 pm — Monday, 23 October 2017
Stalin Mao-Gruber:
Isn't this what Gruber is all about? Government regulation for the good of the people?
10:24 pm — Monday, 23 October 2017
anonymous:
Legislated scarcity usually works well.
11:13 pm — Monday, 23 October 2017
anonymous:
>That's fucking dumb

It's fucking dumb to actually try and address the issue of congestion and crowding in a city that has very little space?
11:42 pm — Monday, 23 October 2017
anonymous:
>Legislated scarcity usually works well.

It worked extremely well in reducing gun violence in Australia.
11:51 pm — Monday, 23 October 2017
The Academy Welcomes You:
Only the rich have cars, and now only the super-rich will have cars.

But mandated inequality is OK when it's presented as environmentally responsible.

So for example, poor people in the US use less resources and have a smaller global footprint, so we should actually increase the amount of inequality.
12:35 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
anonymous:
It didn't work as well in Australia as you seem to think it did.

Gun violence in Australia had been falling Australia for a decade before the legislation – and continued falling at roughly the same rate afterwards.

But banning/confiscating guns in Australia isn't really at all like limiting the number of cars in Singapore.
1:09 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
Stalin Mao-Gruber:
>It worked extremely well in reducing gun violence in Australia.

What does "gun violence" in Australia have to do with Singapore's motor vehicle policies?
1:12 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
Stalin Mao-Gruber:
>Gun violence in Australia had been falling Australia for a decade before the legislation – and continued falling at roughly the same rate afterwards.

Much like violent crime in general - including "gun violence" - declined sharply in the United States at the same time that gun ownership increased.

A gun is not the like the ring in Lord of the Rings. It doesn't cause violence all by itself.
1:13 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
anonymous:
Part of me likes this idea, but it's also clear that cars will become luxuries in Singapore.

One can't accuse the Singaporean government of being Leftist, but this does smack of progressive authoritarian utopianism: the ramifications of their technocratic ideology never apply to the elite.
1:14 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
anonymous:
>Much like violent crime in general - including "gun violence" - declined sharply in the United States at the same time that gun ownership increased.

So, if gun ownership makes no difference, why are gun violence rates shockingly higher in the US than in Australia and other countries with lower gun ownership rates?

Also, your claim isn't borne out by evidence, as those US states with more guns, have more deaths by shooting, than those with fewer guns. So, higher gun ownership definitely correlates with higher deaths by firearm.

And the number of mass shootings in the US has been going up. You're taking an overall "crime" statistic and trying to say that it says something about the effect of guns. It does not.

And more to the point at hand, why shouldn't Singapore be restricting vehicle ownership. Vehicles take up physical space. Singapore has limited physical space. So, how can you keep adding vehicles?
1:47 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
Hairy Lime:
Meh. If it's a real city, you don't need a car anyway.
3:19 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
Ero:
But enough about cock extensions that discharge bullets, back to the original article.

As is typical for Grubs, he skimmed the article and made a bullshit comment.

It has nothing to do with *owning* a car. It's whether you have a COE (certificate of entitlement), which lets you register and operate. Those are finite.

Basically the government there was terrified that Singapore would turn into KL or Manilla or Bangkok with their traffic disasters. Same with the ERP scheme that limits cars in the inner city unless you pay a toll.

Source: I lived there for 15 years. And the whinging of expats who move there and notice this was as insufferable when I arrived as when I left.
5:21 am — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
The Academy Welcomes You:
So you can have as many cars as you want, but if you want to actually drive it you can't without a COE.

@Hairy Lime

Try getting from the Bronx to Staten Island without a car.
12:40 pm — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
catfood:
*Legislated scarcity usually works well*

because cars are so scarce in singapore
2:08 pm — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
anon:
Do you think Gruber even knows that Singapore is a city-state?
4:45 pm — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
anonymous:
> Try getting from the Bronx to Staten Island without a car.

you can do it, it just takes twice as long.
6:29 pm — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
Ero:
The Academy Welcomes You:

> So you can have as many cars as you want, but if you want to actually drive it you can't without a COE.

Bingo, we have a winner! And that COE isn't automatically renewed if you already have one, you bid on them again each year. So Grub's comment:

> if you don’t already own a car and want one, you’re shit out of luck

is absolute bullshit.

anon:

> Do you think Gruber even knows that Singapore is a city-state?

Good point.
11:18 pm — Tuesday, 24 October 2017
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